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by Brian S Walden

I <tuhs(a)cuzuco.com> wrote: > I resurrected the Lions' source code for the commentary I made some > 15 years back -- line numbers at all. It had been lost for some time > and it took a bit, but I finally found it on some obsolete media. > In making it I didn't have v6 source so it was reverted from v7. > > See http://v6.cuzuco.com/ Sorry to bother again, but I just noticed that the PostScript versions I uploaded were the portrait mode ones, not landscape. I have put the right ones in now, so if you downloaded them before this message, you'll need to get them again. Both PDFs however were and are correct. -B

21 years, 1 month

Fw: [TUHS] Re: Lions' book

by Roger Willcocks

On Thursday, April 15, 2004 6:40 AM, Warren Toomey <wkt(a)tuhs.org> wrote: > >>I will give you all three guesses as to who Leo was. Hint: he lives > >>in Australia. > > On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 09:18:45AM +1000, Peter Jeremy wrote: > >That would rule out John since he no longer lives in Australia. > > True. The person is alive and well and living on the Gold Coast in > Queensland where he works for a small private university. He is > also semi-active in the arena of Unix history. He has a beard. He > regrets never admitting to the copying of the commentary to John > Lions personally, because John would probably have commended the > act. Hmmm, try Googling for /interests "unix history" australia latex/ :-) You wouldn't know, off-hand, whether 'Leo' actually rekeyed the content ? -- Roger

21 years, 1 month

v6 source

by Bill Cunningham

I have that source tarball for v6. It's very nice. The only trouble is it will not compile that's for sure and I don't have enough experience with assembly to even look at the labels and mnemonics. It's nice to look at and think this once worked. Bill

21 years, 1 month

Re: Lions' book

by Norman Wilson

I can cite a third edition that existed inside Bell Labs at one point: white covers, with the latter-day AT&T Bell Laboratories name and deathstar logo; AT&T BELL LABORATORIES PROPRIETARY (RESTRICTED) printed across the bottom of every page. The title page also says Use pursuant to G.E.I. 2.2. Instead of `this document may contain information covered by one or more licenses,' there is a paragraph declaring that `This document is restricted to authorized AT&T employees who have a job-related need to know, and holders of a license for the UNIX* Operating System, Level Six, from AT&T Technologies, Inc., subject to the restrictions stated in such license.' And of course the footnote credits the trademark to AT&T Bell Laboratories. The use of the deathstar and the modern company name suggest these were printed post-divestiture, i.e. no earlier than 1984. Andrew Hume came across a few copies of this edition sametime in the late 1980s. I think they came from a load of stuff about to be thrown out by Judy Macor, who used to be the person who handled license paperwork and sent out tapes. For some reason my copy has a paper clip on the page where `You are not expected to understand this' appears. Norman Wilson Toronto ON

21 years, 1 month

Re: [TUHS] Booting v6

by Aharon Robbins

> > I have no doubt that the commentary was produced with the V6 nroff. > > It has the look of machine-formatted text about it, although it was > > clearly printed on a constant-width line printer of the time. > > > > Now, were anyone so truly perverse, they might take the latex and > > convert it into nroff/troff. :-) > > Thus returning to the original form in which it was prepared. There's > an appealing circularity and feeling of having come full circle to > that... Doing so would be a major Waste Of Time. This fact, in combination with the "appealing circularity" just mentioned makes it highly likely that it *will* be done by a Graduate Student somewhere .... :-) Arnold

21 years, 1 month

Re: Lions' book

by dmr＠plan9.bell-labs.com

Bibliographic notes: It appears that the version of the commentary that appeared on Usenet and has been transformed variously is just the notes. So far as I can tell, it's an accurate rendition of them. There were ~2 original versions of the two-volume work (the source and the commentary). The two versions are-- Those produced at UNSW: the one I have are in red (source) and orange (commentary) covers. There might have been more than one printing of this. The commentary was probably done on some nice terminal like the Diablo daisy-wheel. The source was rendered on a dot-matrix terminal. The second version was done within AT&T/WECo for internal use, and could also be ordered by licensees--perhaps it was even included with a tape. Salus says these were no longer available by 1978. These have pale blue covers. The contents were, I believe, a photocopy of one of the UNSW renditions. The Peer-to-Peer edition (1996) is probably a photocopy of an AT&T version; it contains various labels that doubtless would have been in them. But they could have been stripped in from tape labels or somewhere. Perhaps Berny Goodheart would know about this part of the production process. The UNSW version I have has, on its title page for the source book, a paragraph that says "This document may contain information covered by one or more licenses...." and is noted by Lions as issued in June, 1977. The PtoP version of this page is in a different font, and has a splash label in printer font "This information is proprietary and is the property of Bell Telephone Laboratories, Inc...." It's noted by Lions as of November 1977, and marked "second printing." It would be nice to cajole PtoP into reprinting, although the combination of the TUHS V6 sources and the various renditions of the commentary contain most of the information (though without the heartfelt encomia). Dennis

21 years, 1 month

Re: [TUHS] Re: Lions' book

by Warren Toomey

On Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 08:06:43PM -0400, Tim Shoppa wrote: >>> Latex source to the Lions book was posted to alt.folklore.computers >>> circa 1994. I'm guessing that the poster (a "Leo") typed it in by hand. On 2004-Apr-15 07:58:45 +1000, Warren Toomey <wkt(a)tuhs.org> wrote: >>I will give you all three guesses as to who Leo was. Hint: he lives >>in Australia. On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 09:18:45AM +1000, Peter Jeremy wrote: >That would rule out John since he no longer lives in Australia. True. The person is alive and well and living on the Gold Coast in Queensland where he works for a small private university. He is also semi-active in the arena of Unix history. He has a beard. He regrets never admitting to the copying of the commentary to John Lions personally, because John would probably have commended the act. Warren

21 years, 1 month

Re: [TUHS] Lions book (was: Booting v6)

by Brian S Walden

Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com> wrote: .... > >>> [Lions book] > >>>> Wow. Time to start Xeroxing it again... :) > >>> > >>> Latex source to the book was posted to alt.folklore.computers circa > >>> 1994. I'm guessing that the poster (a "Leo") typed it in by hand > >>> given the comments that came with the readme. > >> > > Yes, I've found it now and put it up in multiple formats at > http://www.lemis.com/grog/Documentation/Lions/. Enjoy! > > Greg I resurrected the Lions' source code for the commentary I made some 15 years back -- line numbers at all. It had been lost for some time and it took a bit, but I finally found it on some obsolete media. In making it I didn't have v6 source so it was reverted from v7. See http://v6.cuzuco.com/ -B

21 years, 1 month

Re: [TUHS] Booting v6

by Aharon Robbins

> To: tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org > From: Mirian Crzig Lennox <list-tuhs(a)cosmic.com> > Subject: Re: [TUHS] Booting v6 > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:04:48 -0400 > > I'm amused that someone would use LaTeX to reproduce a manuscript of > dot-matrix source listings and roughly-typewritten commentary. I have no doubt that the commentary was produced with the V6 nroff. It has the look of machine-formatted text about it, although it was clearly printed on a constant-width line printer of the time. Now, were anyone so truly perverse, they might take the latex and convert it into nroff/troff. :-) Arnold

21 years, 1 month

RE: [TUHS] Booting v6

by Carl Lowenstein

> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 11:53:26 +0100 > Thread-Topic: [TUHS] Booting v6 > Thread-Index: AcQcYq8V+wOYWKxXRAqhjHttR6C44gAJhvuw > From: "Wells, Richard" <rwells(a)impaq.co.uk> > To: "Lars Brinkhoff" <lars(a)nocrew.org> > > IMHO it's very good reading / learning. > > I couldn't buy the book when I last tried (about a year ago) - I think > it was out of print.. I did manage to find it all on the web though. > > Richard Wells > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lars Brinkhoff [mailto:lars@nocrew.org] > Sent: 07 April 2004 06:32 > To: Carl Lowenstein > Cc: tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org > Subject: Re: [TUHS] Booting v6 > > Carl Lowenstein <cdl(a)mpl.ucsd.edu> writes: > > > From: "Ian King" <iking(a)windows.microsoft.com> > > > > > > BTW, the Lions book - which documents 6th Ed. very comprehensively - > is > > > available for legal purchase. I have both the published version and > > > (from a set of docs I bought on eBay) an old 'bootleg' photocopy. > > Me too, as they say. I did the bootleg photocopying myself. > > Is it still good reading? It was last time I looked. Today I seem to have misplaced my copy. Just checked AddAll book search, the reprint of the Lions book has become a rare collectable, and is selling for about $100. Oh, well, somebody bid a VT100 up to $355 yesterday. carl

21 years, 1 month

An Interview with John Lions

by Kenneth Stailey

The PDF when viewed in acroread is rather obnoxious to my system, it turns off controls and the window manager frame and takes over the whole window but love that google cache. http://tinyurl.com/3x4ld __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/

21 years, 1 month

plug for new book - includes V7 code

by Aharon Robbins

Greetings All. Here is an unashamed but brief plug for my new book, "Linux Programming by Example: The Fundamentals": http://www.phptr.com/title/0131429647 It is an introductory linux/unix programming book that uses both V7 code and current GNU code to teach the basic linux/unix programming API. The preface points at the TUHS archive site. I doubt that anyone on this list would really learn anything from it, but it's sorta topical because it uses V7 code. Also, the cover design is really cool. :-) If this is too commercial for anyone, I apologize; I won't post anything else about it to this list. (If you feel the need, please flame me off list. Thanks.) Thanks, Arnold Robbins

21 years, 1 month

RE: [TUHS] Just noticed an article on John Lions on Salon.com

by Aharon Robbins

> > Bell System Technical Journal, July/August 1978 Vol. 57, No. 6., Part 2. > > you can find many of the documents cited in this issue in the > UNIX Programmer's Manual for the Seventh Edition, Volume 2B, > which is included, for example, in the package > http://telexx.mni.fh-giessen.de/PDP11-UNIX/unix-v7-3.tar.gz The manual can also be gotten online, in postscript and PDF and troff from http://plan9.bell-labs.com/7thEdMan. Arnold

21 years, 1 month

RE: [TUHS] Just noticed an article on John Lions on Salon.com

by Roger Willcocks

> Hello from Gregg C Levine > Um this fellow, Ken Thompson. According to my copy of the book on the > C programming language, only Brian Kernighan, and David Ritchie, are > mentioned. Ken Thompson, is only mentioned as being a partner in the > creation of UNIX, I think he was a co-author in the book mentioned in > titles pages, describing the UNIX programming environment. > And yes, the rest of the article did look okay, around that. ...um... see http://www.bell-labs.com/news/1999/april/28/1.html: "Ritchie and Thompson Receive National Medal of Technology from President Clinton" -- Roger

21 years, 1 month

RE: [TUHS] Just noticed an article on John Lions on Salon.com

by Carl Lowenstein

> From: "Gregg C Levine" <hansolofalcon(a)worldnet.att.net> > To: "'Kenneth Stailey'" <kstailey(a)yahoo.com>, <tuhs(a)tuhs.org> > Subject: RE: [TUHS] Just noticed an article on John Lions on Salon.com > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:51:11 -0400 > > Hello from Gregg C Levine > An interesting discourse on the subject of the gentleman's books. I > haven't found them, as yet. However, I did find one discrepancy in the > article. I suppose Dennis Ritchie will comment eventually, but, here > goes, his name, and Brian Kernighan are mentioned on my copy of the > book on the C programming language. The only time I've seen the other > fellow's name mentioned was in regards to another book on UNIX. By "the other fellow" do you mean Ken Thompson? If so, you are far behind in your knowledge of Unix history. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenst(a)ucsd.edu

21 years, 1 month

RE: [TUHS] Just noticed an article on John Lions on Salon.com

by Norman Wilson

Hello from Gregg C Levine Um this fellow, Ken Thompson. According to my copy of the book on the C programming language, only Brian Kernighan, and David Ritchie, are mentioned. Ken Thompson, is only mentioned as being a partner in the creation of UNIX, I think he was a co-author in the book mentioned in titles pages, describing the UNIX programming environment. Ken's name is on a number of interesting papers from the early days of UNIX, including the original one in CACM, but so far as I can remember he was never the official author or co-author of a UNIX book. You may be thinking of `The UNIX Programming Environment,' by Kernighan and Pike. I suppose those who don't know both Ken Thompson and Rob Pike might confuse them, especially since (I think) they both reside in the Bay Area now. It may help to know that Rob's nose comes nearer to a sharp point, and that Ken is a licensed pilot. They are certainly different people; I have seen them in the same room many times. Norman Wilson Toronto ON

21 years, 1 month

"Lions' Commentary on UNIX 6th Edition, with Source"

by J.D.

To all concerned, I decided to find out if the book were still available. Per Dan Doernberg at Peer-To-Peer Communications: >The "Lions' book" is temporarily out of stock; we expect to >have it available in approximately 2-3 months. > >Background--- Peer-to-Peer Communications is the original >publisher of "Lions' Commentary on Unix", but we sold the book >to Annabooks/RTC Group in 1999. RTC decided not to reprint it >when they ran out of stock, so we took the publishing rights >back and are now working to make reprint arrangements. > > >Sincerely, > > >Customer Service >Peer-to-Peer Communications Inc. >service(a)peer-to-peer.com Thank you, James Falknor

21 years, 1 month

RE: [TUHS] Just noticed an article on John Lions on Salon.com

by Carl Lowenstein

> From: "Gregg C Levine" <hansolofalcon(a)worldnet.att.net> > To: "'Norman Wilson'" <norman(a)nose.cs.utoronto.ca>, <tuhs(a)tuhs.org> > Subject: RE: [TUHS] Just noticed an article on John Lions on Salon.com > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:19:56 -0400 > > Hello (again) from Gregg C Levine > I believe your right. And I am willing to concede the points regarding > the two gentlemen in question. However, all of the documents I have > seen within the past ten years regarding the birth, and history of > UNIX, all have mentioned both Brian Kernighan, and David Ritchie are > mentioned. Complete with the appropriately selected story as well. > > I suspect however, that in that early paper, Ken Thompson is indeed > mentioned, however the web page in question does not go into enough > detail, as it should. > > And regarding the book, your right. I've got my copy of the C book > across the room, and normally don't refer to it unless necessary. You know, Unix is not 100% identical to C. Before continuing this line of discussion, you really should find a copy of Bell System Technical Journal, July/August 1978 Vol. 57, No. 6., Part 2 where Ritchie and Thomson describe the design of Unix. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenst(a)ucsd.edu

21 years, 1 month

Re: Just noticed an article on John Lions on Salon.com

by dmr＠plan9.bell-labs.com

A quick guide; but it doesn't distinguish Pike. He's probably the slimmest and shortest, and remains the least bearded the last time I saw him. From: dmr(a)alice.att.com (Dennis Ritchie) Subject: re: UNIX Message-ID: <11613(a)alice.att.com> Date: 14 Nov 90 05:53:03 GMT Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ I read, > Looks like folks are now beginning to credit the > development of UNIX to Kernighan and Ritchie, but > I thought the principal investigators were > *Thompson* and Ritchie. Did something change? The differences between Kernighan Ritchie Thompson are real but very subtle. We all look alike (middle aged with scruffy graying beards). Note these distinctions: -- Kernighan is slimmest, Ritchie middlest, Thompson heaviest in body build -- Ritchie got contacts a couple of years ago and so is the only current non-glasses wearer -- Thompson wouldn't touch netnews with a pole, Kernighan secretly gets misc.invest and misc.taxes mailed to him, Ritchie reads it more than is good for him and occasionally contributes -- Ritchie is the only one who has met five people who have appeared on David Letterman (Penn, Teller, Rob Pike, Mayor Koch, and the guy who raised the biggest hog in Ohio) -- Kernighan has written ten times as much readable prose as has Ritchie, Ritchie ten times as much as Thompson. It's tempting to say that the reverse proportions hold for code, but in fact Kernighan and Ritchie are more nearly tied and Thompson wipes us both out. Dennis

21 years, 1 month

Just noticed an article on John Lions on Salon.com

by Kenneth Stailey

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21 years, 1 month

what is the progress on porting 32V to x86 platform

by J.D.

To all concerned, I was wondering what progress has been made in porting 32V to the x86 platform. I would like to keep track of it's development. Maybe even dedicate a web site just for 32V/32I on x86. I'm not certain on how to setup a repository, but I'm willing to learn as I go. I have a DSL connection. 3 dedicated IP addresses (1 DNS, 1 mail server, 1 web server). The web server has 80Gb of storage space and is running Slackware Linux 9.1. I currently host my own web site: http://www.peacemax.org on the web server. I would really like to see a free / low cost UNIX or UNIX-like OS for the x86 platform come to fruition without the legal battles that Linux and BSD have had to deal with over the years. Thank you, James Falknor

21 years, 1 month

RE: [TUHS] Booting v6

by Carl Lowenstein

> Subject: RE: [TUHS] Booting v6 > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:04:10 -0700 > Thread-Topic: [TUHS] Booting v6 > thread-index: AcQcKECoV1Z8goZHTHydv0dtlVPxNwAANuHA > From: "Ian King" <iking(a)windows.microsoft.com> > To: "Carl Lowenstein" <cdl(a)mpl.ucsd.edu>, <billc_2(a)charter.net>, > <tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org> > > BTW, the Lions book - which documents 6th Ed. very comprehensively - is > available for legal purchase. I have both the published version and > (from a set of docs I bought on eBay) an old 'bootleg' photocopy. Me too, as they say. I did the bootleg photocopying myself. > There was at least one card that would drive a vector display, like the > old Tektronix storage tube devices, but most I/O was terminal based. I > have some old ADM3a terminals that folks often mistake for early iMacs - > they ask me which processor they use. :-) The first 11/20 I used had a Tektronix 4002 Graphics terminal with it. This was a storage tube, vector addressable. But it also had a complete ASCII terminal emulator built in, with diode matrix character generator ROMs. Also the best keyboard I ever used, with magnetically-operated reed switches. The Tek terminal used a specially modified KL11 terminal interface, which did serial communication to the CPU at something like 100k characters/sec. This made the hard-copy TTY-based editor really easy to use, because it could repaint the whole screen in a fraction of a second. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenst(a)ucsd.edu

21 years, 1 month

RE: [TUHS] Booting v6

by Wells, Richard

IMHO it's very good reading / learning. I couldn't buy the book when I last tried (about a year ago) - I think it was out of print.. I did manage to find it all on the web though. Richard Wells -----Original Message----- From: Lars Brinkhoff [mailto:lars@nocrew.org] Sent: 07 April 2004 06:32 To: Carl Lowenstein Cc: tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org Subject: Re: [TUHS] Booting v6 Carl Lowenstein <cdl(a)mpl.ucsd.edu> writes: > > From: "Ian King" <iking(a)windows.microsoft.com> > > > > BTW, the Lions book - which documents 6th Ed. very comprehensively - is > > available for legal purchase. I have both the published version and > > (from a set of docs I bought on eBay) an old 'bootleg' photocopy. > Me too, as they say. I did the bootleg photocopying myself. Is it still good reading? -- Lars Brinkhoff, Services for Unix, Linux, GCC, HTTP Brinkhoff Consulting http://www.brinkhoff.se/ _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS(a)minnie.tuhs.org http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________

21 years, 1 month

Re: [TUHS] Booting v6

by Carl Lowenstein

> From: "Bill Cunningham" <billc_2(a)charter.net> > To: <tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org> > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 06:30:01 -0400 > Subject: [TUHS] Booting v6 > > I was looking through the old archives at the old UNIX Dennis Ritchie > submitted. I would like to know how to boot this. I can't seem to compile > the PDP emulator(s) with djgpp or a non-linux system. I can with my linux. See below for a session log showing booting 6th Ed Unix on a Linux system. > Dennis said this version of unix was compiled with assembly, then into C if > I'm not mistaken. I'm pretty sure that by 6th Ed the system was mostly C, with only a few assembly routines. > Now the PDPs they were the machines with no monitors just > printer tty type output correct? High-resolution bit-mapped graphics at any reasonable price came along a few years after 6th Ed. Unix. Character-cell CRT terminals that could display 72x12 up to 80x24 characters on a screen were available in 1975, but were pretty expensive. Instructions for booting "uv6swre" are contained in the file "simh_swre.txt". To make things easier for myself, I did the following: $ cp unix0_v6_rk.dsk rk0.dsk and so on for 1, 2, 3. This gives me copies of the distribution disks that I can work with without losing the originals. Then I made a startup file "run.conf" to contain the commands for the emulator. Here is the result of a very recent session: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Script started on Tue 06 Apr 2004 03:09:12 PM PDT helium3$ cat run.conf set cpu u18 set cpu 256k attach rk0 rk0.dsk attach rk1 rk1.dsk attach rk2 rk2.dsk attach rk3 rk3.dsk boot rk0 helium3$ pdp11 run.conf PDP-11 simulator V3.1-0 Disabling XQ @unix login: root # date Sat Aug 20 12:19:47 EDT 1994 # ls -l total 182 drwxr-xr-x 2 bin 1040 Jan 1 1970 bin drwxr-xr-x 2 bin 352 Jan 1 1970 dev drwxr-xr-x 2 bin 304 Aug 20 12:19 etc drwxr-xr-x 2 bin 336 Jan 1 1970 lib drwxr-xr-x 17 bin 272 Jan 1 1970 mnt drwxr-xr-x 2 bin 32 Jan 1 1970 mnt2 -rw-rw-rw- 1 root 28472 Aug 20 12:01 rkunix -rwxr-xr-x 1 bin 28636 Aug 20 11:38 rkunix.40 drwxrwxrwx 2 bin 144 Aug 20 12:14 tmp -rwxr-xr-x 1 bin 28472 Aug 20 12:01 unix drwxr-xr-x 13 bin 224 Aug 20 12:22 usr drwxr-xr-x 2 bin 32 Jan 1 1970 usr2 # stty speed 110 baud erase = '#'; kill = '@' even odd -nl echo -tabs cr1 # sync;sync # Simulation stopped, PC: 034316 (ADD #26,R2) sim> bye Goodbye helium3$ exit Script done on Tue 06 Apr 2004 03:10:09 PM PDT - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Notes: the simh command for emulating a Unibus PDP11 with 18-bit addressing is now "set cpu u18". In the line "@unix" the "@" is the prompt from the boot program, "unix" is your response to it. Root has no password. The disks are mounted rk1 on /usr rk2 on /usr/source rk3 on /mnt The default character erase and line kill characters shown by stty are not what anyone is used to these days. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenst(a)ucsd.edu

21 years, 1 month

Booting v6

by Bill Cunningham

I was looking through the old archives at the old UNIX Dennis Ritchie submitted. I would like to know how to boot this. I can't seem to compile the PDP emulator(s) with djgpp or a non-linux system. I can with my linux. Dennis said this version of unix was compiled with assembly, then into C if I'm not mistaken. Now the PDPs they were the machines with no monitors just printer tty type output correct? Bill

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