Hi.
I am trying to bring up a Sprite cluster. [1]
I was able to get the demo system running on a SPARCstation 1+ by dd-ing
the boot image to a disk. Now I wane label an additional disk, make LFS,
... make the new disk bootable to get more free disk space then I have
on the premade boot image. But I can't get a label on the disk with
labeldisk nor did I succeed using fsmakeprompt. The later crashes...
Next step is to bring a SPARCstation 2, an IPX and two ELCs into the
cluster.
Is there someone out there with Sprite experience who can help me?
Additionaly I was not able to get the PMAX image to work on my
DECstation 5000/240 nor my DECstation 3100. Any ideas? Do I really need
a DECstation 5000/200 for this?
[1] http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/Research/Projects/sprite/
A mixed architecture, distributed single system image OS capable of
process migration that presented the cluster to a user as a single,
large multiprocessor machine. Pmake and LFS (Log-Structured File System)
originate from Sprite.
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> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:50:26 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Thorsten Glaser <tg(a)66h.42h.de>
> Subject: Re: [TUHS] licence of ditroff?
> To: Aharon Robbins <arnold(a)skeeve.com>
> Cc: martinwguy(a)yahoo.it, miros-discuss(a)66h.42h.de, tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org
>
> Aharon Robbins dixit:
>
> >Instead of starting with 27 year old code, you'd be better
> >off taking the troff from http://www.swtch.com/plan9port.
>
> Thanks, that's a nice idea, but from what I experienced,
> the portability of recent AT&T/Bell/Lucent/whatever code
> is worse than the bugs in old code (eg. I could not get
> ksh93 to compile, something in there just dumped core;
> but then that's Unix, not Plan 9).
ksh93 is a different animal, from a different group, and problems
there are not surprising (sadly).
On the flip side, they do take bug reports seriously.
> >This is a port of many Plan 9 utilities to Unix. The troff there
> >(a) has an explicit license that will probably do for the BSD people
>
> If it's the same licence as for 8c, then no, unfortunately.
I don't know. It's worth double checking the current license; it
changed sometime in the past year or two.
The Plan 9 troff is certainly a descendant of the ditroff you
found, for whatever that's worth.
Arnold
Instead of starting with 27 year old code, you'd be better
off taking the troff from http://www.swtch.com/plan9port.
This is a port of many Plan 9 utilities to Unix. The troff there
(a) has an explicit license that will probably do for the BSD people
(b) already knows how to produce PostScript
(c) can handle UTF-8 and 16-bit Unicode
Arnold
> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:39:47 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Thorsten Glaser <tg(a)66h.42h.de>
> Subject: [TUHS] licence of ditroff?
> To: martinwguy(a)yahoo.it
> Cc: tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org, miros-discuss(a)66h.42h.de
>
> Hi!
>
> I would like to know which licence the files at
> http://medialab.dyndns.org/~martin/tape/stuff/ditroff/
> are under.
>
> If it's http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Caldera-license.pdf
> that would be nice, if not, is there any way to find
> out whose (c) is on the files, and how to contact them?
>
> Reason: I'm developer of a BSD offspring and already
> integrated 4.4BSD-Alpha nroff, neqn, tbl etc. under the
> Caldera licence above into our operating system in order
> to get rid of the less free, written in C++, GNU groff.
> With success. Now I'm lacking postscript output.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> //mirabile
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----- Forwarded message from Martin Guy <martin(a)freaknet.org> -----
From: Martin Guy <martin(a)freaknet.org>
To: asbesto <asbesto(a)freaknet.org>
Subject: Re: [tg(a)66h.42h.de: [TUHS] licence of ditroff?]
Ta!
I already dealt with this in november - same person.
Is this an old message?
The outcome was: it's in the public domain because they
published the original sources with no copyright notice at the
top... so they are going to create a new free troff from the
sources on my tape, more free than groff!
Yes!
M
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005, asbesto wrote:
[snip]
> ----- Forwarded message from Thorsten Glaser <tg(a)66h.42h.de> -----
>
> I would like to know which licence the files at
> http://medialab.dyndns.org/~martin/tape/stuff/ditroff/
> are under.
[snip]
> ----- End forwarded message -----
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Is the original code for SCCS under the Caldera license? In particular,
is there a URL where it's available? Or should someone wishing to work
with SCCS files use GNU CSSC?
Thanks,
Arnold
Hello from Gregg C Levine
Question: Will the list server drop subscribers, if they have not
posted anything to the list? Or are other reasons taken into
circumstances?
Consider this, for any number of reasons, two of my e-mail addresses
for this ISP are subscribed to this list, some time ago a posting
arrived at Address #2, but Address #1 didn't receive it.
Repeated queries to the list server's management site, didn't provide
me with my password, nor did entering what I thought it was when I
first subscribed to it, succeed. However my first clew that something
was up, happened when it accepted my requests to rejoin it.
So when you have the time to look into the matter, can you
investigate. FYI, the address in doubt is this one.
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"Use the Force, Luke." Obi-Wan Kenobi
I just noticed this site by a posting on Groklaw.net:
http://heirloom.sourceforge.net/
I don't remember having seen it here before, and I believe it is worth a look.
The Heirloom Toolchest is a collection of standard Unix utilities derived from
legacy Caldera-released sources and brought up to date to a number of versions
(SVID3, SVID4, POSIX, 4BSD) with support for UTF-8 and other enhancements.
j
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De nada sirve la Inteligencia Artificial cuando falta la Natural
Has anybody succeeded installing Ultrix v4.4/4.5 for the VAX on SIMH from
DEC CD-ROM distribution?
I've been trying but when it goes to device detection it always turns
up with an empty list. I mean, the install kernel boots, detects the
virtual hard disk and the CD-ROM, the install program starts and reaches
the installation menu (options for BASIC or ADVANCED) and it's then,
when choosing any option that it does not detect any suitable install
device.
It's been about 10 years since last I installed Ultrix on a VAX and to
be true, I can hardly remember all the details involved. It this doesn't
work, I'll try to go back to legacy tapes (if I can still find any
around).
j
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De nada sirve la Inteligencia Artificial cuando falta la Natural
Greetings all.
A few weeks ago, in a fit of nostalgia, I decided to gather together
a personal copy of the various Usenet source groups as still available
at places like gatekeeper.dec.com and ftp.uu.net. The result is
a collection of six newsgroups, net.sources, and then
comp.sources.{games,misc,x,unix,reviewed}.
I removed duplicates and fixed a few other archiving goofs as well.
The result is about 700M, uncompressed. It just fits on one CD. :-)
I have made a tarball available, it's about 145M, if anyone wants it.
URLs:
http://www.skeeve.com/Usenet.tar.bz2ftp://ftp.freefriends.org/arnold/upload/Usenet.tar.bz2
Only one compression format; the .gz file is almost 180M.
Enjoy,
Arnold
I once asked Brian Kernighan about style and diction. His
response was rather uncomplimentary; it's net meaning was
"don't bother with them".
As I recall, wwb was style, diction, maybe one or two other
related programs, and the ditroff suite: troff, tbl, eqn, pic,
and various macro packages. For the troff stuff, you're
better off with groff, anyway.
Arnold
> From: "Steve Simon" <steve(a)quintile.net>
> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 06:44:52 0000
> To: tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org
>
> Hi,
>
> Anyone know the status of the writers workbench (WWB)
> which was a seperate package even in System III days
> I think.
>
> I know about style and diction which was shipped with BSD4.1
> which (again wooly memory) was an early subset of the
> whole wwb package.
>
> I was hoping to compile it up and use it to help me
> improve my written English!
>
> -Steve
Hi,
Anyone know the status of the writers workbench (WWB)
which was a seperate package even in System III days
I think.
I know about style and diction which was shipped with BSD4.1
which (again wooly memory) was an early subset of the
whole wwb package.
I was hoping to compile it up and use it to help me
improve my written English!
-Steve
Hi!
I would like to know which licence the files at
http://medialab.dyndns.org/~martin/tape/stuff/ditroff/
are under.
If it's http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Caldera-license.pdf
that would be nice, if not, is there any way to find
out whose (c) is on the files, and how to contact them?
Reason: I'm developer of a BSD offspring and already
integrated 4.4BSD-Alpha nroff, neqn, tbl etc. under the
Caldera licence above into our operating system in order
to get rid of the less free, written in C++, GNU groff.
With success. Now I'm lacking postscript output.
Thanks in advance,
//mirabile
"=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Jos=E9?= R. Valverde" <jrvalverde(a)cnb.uam.es> wrote:
> While working at the Biomedical Research Institute (Madrid, Spain) I got a
> quote from DEC for access to Ultrix source code. As I remember it, it wasn't
> that expensive (~1000$ for an academic license) and I mused bout acquiring=
> =20
> it for some time. My na=EFvete at the time prevented me from ordering it (t=
> hat
> and the availability of BSD sources).
Ultrix-32 sources can be found on ifctfvax.Harhan.ORG in
/pub/UNIX/thirdparty/Ultrix-32/sources available via anonymous FTP.
MS
Jose R. Valverde <jr(a)cnb.uam.es> wrote:
> But I understood the orioginal post to refer to other Ultrix sources.
> Ultrix had a long -and interesting- life after 32V. It was ported to
> MIPS machines,
By Ultrix-32 I didn't mean AT&T 32V, I just say Ultrix-32 to distinguish
it from Ultrix-11. Ultrix-32 was DEC's product for VAX and MIPS. On my
FTP site I have pirate sources for Ultrix-32 V2.00 and V4.20. The lalter
runs on all VAX models DEC ever supported Ultrix on and on MIPS.
MS
It's not a question of it being lost, but rather making sure it doesn't
become lost. My first order of business is for the product that was the
reason for Manalapan's existence -- VAX System V.
The Manalapan, NJ site, after two mergers, is still today known as UNX
because of it initial charter to port AT&T Unix to VAX. This dates back
to the old DEC days where all sites had a 3 character identifier. I guess
someone was a private pilot and modeled it after airport designations.
Anyway, Manalapan was also frequently used as a hub in a lot of uucp
activity -- just look for UNXA in the path.
Enough history for today.
Pat
> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 06:09:19 -0400
> Pat Villani <patv(a)monmouth.com> wrote:
> > Don't know about a TCP/IP stack, but I'm sorry to tell you that Ultrix
> > is still proprietary and now owned by hp.
> >
> > The source is in danger of being lost unless I'm successful over the
> > next six months. The Manalapan, NJ site where a great deal of Ultrix
> > work was done will be closing soon and employees moved to other
location>
> > and otherwise. I volunteered to take the old tape archives and
transfer>
> > the source code to CD-ROM for preservation. I don't know if there are
> > any other copies in Nashua, NH, where the remainder of the work was done.
> >
> > Pat
> >
> While working at the Biomedical Research Institute (Madrid, Spain) I got a
> quote from DEC for access to Ultrix source code. As I remember it, it wasn't
> that expensive (~1000$ for an academic license) and I mused bout
acquiring>
> it for some time. My naïvete at the time prevented me from ordering it
(t> hat
> and the availability of BSD sources).
>
> But I'd feel pretty sure that at that price many source licenses must have
> been sold. Maybe there are still copies lying around and you can find
> someone to send you a copy back.
>
> Sure, it would be nicer to maintain the whole development log and versions.
>
> j
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>
> José R. Valverde
>
> De nada sirve la Inteligencia Artificial cuando falta la Natural
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Hi, all!!!
Are there any old TCP/IP implementations like these to work on V7 or V6,
freely accessible in source form?
It could be very nice thing to learn from.
And possibly offtopic question - if I want ULTRIX (RISC) source license,
where should I get it from? (mostly interested in newest source) :)
All the best,
S.
Greg Lemis wondered,
> On page 182 of K&R 1st edition there's a reference to an
> implementation of C on the Honeywell 6000, with 9 bit bytes. There's
> no mention of whether it was running UNIX.
That one was a C implementation under GCOS. There
was another 9-bit one for the PDP-10 (not using Unix).
There was a 4x9 bit version of Unix for the Univac 1100
series, which ran Unix as a guest system over the
native EXEC OS.
The most exotic version was the BBN C-machine, which
had 20-bit words, 10-bit bytes.
Dennis
> Subject: Re: [TUHS] 6-bit, 7-bit and 9-bit byte UNIXes
> From: Norman Wilson <norman(a)nose.cs.utoronto.ca>
> To: tuhs(a)tuhs.org
> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 20:47:22 -0400
>
> The very first UNIX ran on the PDP-7, which had 18-bit words.
>
> I happen to have the assembly-language source code to parts
> of that system. Many programs contain error-handling code
> that does something like this:
>
> lac d1
> sys write; 1f; 1
> jmp somewhere
>
> 1: 077012
>
> ...
>
> d1: 1
>
> Evidently the system thought in words in those days
> (the second argument to sys write is presumably a word
> count), but the single word written is a strong clue
> that 9-bit bytes were used, and that a certain concise
> error message that people love to complain about was
> there from the beginning (and why not?).
?
I would say "the PDP7 computer was word-addressable". In this
context, characters seem to have been packed as 9-bit half-words
in a big-endian fashion. No 'bytes'.
Maybe tomorrow I will be near my DEC literature archives, and see
if I can find some clues about PDP7 instructions that might deal
with half-words. If it's anything like the PDP8 of similar vintage,
there aren't any. Late in its life the PDP8 got a BSW "byte swap"
instruction to swap the half-words in the AC register. 6 bits,
of course.
carl
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The very first UNIX ran on the PDP-7, which had 18-bit words.
I happen to have the assembly-language source code to parts
of that system. Many programs contain error-handling code
that does something like this:
lac d1
sys write; 1f; 1
jmp somewhere
1: 077012
...
d1: 1
Evidently the system thought in words in those days
(the second argument to sys write is presumably a word
count), but the single word written is a strong clue
that 9-bit bytes were used, and that a certain concise
error message that people love to complain about was
there from the beginning (and why not?).
Norman Wilson
Toronto ON
