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by Jose R. Valverde

On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:52:47 -0400 John Cowan <cowan(a)ccil.org> wrote: > Tim Bradshaw scripsit: > > > I'm assuming that the source isn't available at all (I wonder if Sun > > still have it?) > > It is not *legally* available, but it is *actually* available. > Like, say, _The Lord of the Rings_ in HTML. > The funny thing, if I did read correctly the filings and agreements from Groklaw is that a legal third party could probably release this code *legally* if it is *acually* available. I'm talking about something that popped up in the SCO vs IBM case: as I remember, the agreement stated that IBM was required to held confidential all information except in the case it had been made widely available by some third party. >The exception is set forth in Section 7.06(a) of the standard software agreement: > > If information relating to a SOFTWARE PRODUCT subject to this Agreement at any >time becomes available without restriction to the general public by acts not >attributable to LICENSEE or its employees, LICENSEE'S obligations under this >section shall not apply to such information after such time. Thus it seems possible that UNIX source code licensees would -in the case the code had been made available *by others* have no longer obligation to keep it confidential. But, and this is IMPORTANT, IANAL, so don't take my word for it. My guess is that even if so, most licensses will be reluctant to take any action without legal counsel, which is costly and unless they had a compelling reason to, they would therefore rather not ask, not act and not risk. j -- These opinions are mine and only mine. Hey man, I saw them first! José R. Valverde De nada sirve la Inteligencia Artificial cuando falta la Natural

17 years, 9 months

Re: [TUHS] SunOS 4.1.1?

by Andrew Warkentin

lm(a)bitmover.com wrote: >Does anyone out there have a machine or a tape? I'm looking for the >lint libraries I wrote, there were posix, psd, xpg*, etc. I was pretty >focussed, back in the day, on making it easy for people to write code >that could port easily. These days nobody cares about that stuff but >I'd like a copy of those lint libs. If you don't get why think about >how hard it is to care if it is a char* or a void* or an int or a long. > >Thanks, > >--lm >_______________________________________________ >TUHS mailing list >TUHS(a)minnie.tuhs.org >https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs > > > > Old versions of SunOS from 2.0 to 4.1.1for Sun 2, 3, and 3x can be found at http://www.sun3arc.org and http://www.soupwizard.com/sun2/

17 years, 9 months

Re: [TUHS] TUHS Digest, Vol 41, Issue 5

by lm＠bitmover.com

> > I'm assuming that the source isn't available at all (I wonder if Sun > > still have it?) > > It is not *legally* available, but it is *actually* available. As the guy who started this thread, I'm very grateful for the help. All I wanted was the lint libraries I wrote, those were like include files and it is hard to imagine Sun cares about those (I had to threaten to quit to get them included in the release, back in the day of 200MB disks). And while I really appreciate all the offers for the source of SunOS 4.x, I'm a CEO of a software company and it would be way over the line if I accepted any of those offers. So thanks, I appeciate it, but I hope you'll understand that I have to color inside the lines. -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitkeeper.com

17 years, 9 months

x3270

by Andrzej Popielewicz

Hi, Does anyone of You know of any public mainframe/as400 offering public service with 3270 interface, I mean which can be contacted via x3270 running in Unix X. locis.loc.gov, serving in Library of Congress for 2 or 3 decades, seems to be gone, but perhaps there are still some survived in USA . Andrzej

17 years, 9 months

mini-unix distribution tape recovered

by Al Kossow

I beleive I have sucessfully read a Dec, 1979 mini-unix distribution tape yesterday evening. I've placed it for the next week or so under http://bitsavers.org/miniunix It is in .tap format, which should work with SIMH. It is a single large file blocked 512 bytes/record

17 years, 9 months

SunOS 4.1.1?

by lm＠bitmover.com

Does anyone out there have a machine or a tape? I'm looking for the lint libraries I wrote, there were posix, psd, xpg*, etc. I was pretty focussed, back in the day, on making it easy for people to write code that could port easily. These days nobody cares about that stuff but I'd like a copy of those lint libs. If you don't get why think about how hard it is to care if it is a char* or a void* or an int or a long. Thanks, --lm

17 years, 9 months

cfront

by Steve Simon

Cfront has been released as historic source by AT&T, though I haven't found the license, the code is here: http://www.softwarepreservation.org/projects/c_plus_plus I am currently trying to awaken Cfront 3.03 - more an issue of understanding it than repairing bitrot. If anyone has any bugifxes or additional tools for cfront they would be willing to share I would be very interested. I will post again if/when I get it all to work. Thanks -Steve

17 years, 9 months

Invite from Sergey Lapin (slapinid@gmail.com)

by Sergey Lapin

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18 years

[pups] A tool to compare code trees, plus a favour

by Warren Toomey

Hi all, back in 2004 I wrote a tool to compare sets of C code trees, as a response to the SCO vs. IBM lawsuit. I've revisited and improved the performance of the tool, and I have released a new version at http://minnie.tuhs.org/Programs/Ctcompare/ The tool produces a tokenised representation of each source tree in a format called CTF. The CTF representation of a proprietary source tree can be exported without revealing too much of the source code. See http://minnie.tuhs.org/Programs/Ctcompare/README.txt for the full details. I would dearly love to get hold of some CTF files of more recent UNIX source trees, i.e. from SysVR4 onwards, and especially the Unixware source trees which relate the the SCO vs. IBM lawsuit. If you can make them available to me, I would appreciate it. I understand that you might wish to donate these anonymously, so soon I will write a web script to allow you to upload a CTF file to my server "minnie" anonymously. Many thanks in advance! Warren

18 years, 1 month

[pups] Surplus Kit

by robinb＠ruffnready.co.uk

Hi Guys, I'm having a bit of a clearout. Moving house and so on. I find that I have a pair of uVAX 3400s going spare. It's a long time since I've looked at these but from memory they've each got three drives and I think one of them has an external disc cab. There will be some serial cards in them and possibly, though I'm not sure, a SCSI tape drive card. There is the normal TK70 cartridge drive. They were both working when I got them and I have done nothing with them at all (they are in storage at the moment). Both have, I think, got VMS on them. These are available to collect in Cirencester in the UK. Make me an offer someone. Robin

18 years, 1 month

[pups] sys III docs

by zmkm zmkm

Hi all just a quick question , any documentation or notes available online for unix sys III ? Like the v7 ones . Tks & rgs _________________________________________________________________ Like the way Microsoft Office Outlook works? Youll love Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migrati…

18 years, 1 month

[pups] Two matters, two questions

by Wesley Parish

I've just finished reading Peter Salus' "A Quarter Century of Unix", and this time round, I was brought up short by the comments on Prime, Primos and The Software Tools. Has anyone done a simulator/emulator of the Prime? (I must confess, a hardware architecture that's described as a cross between a GE-645 and the Intel 80286, not only intrigues me, it also makes my toes curl. ;) Has anyone attempted to get a copy of PrimOS for such a simulator/emulator? And if one was to attempt such a feat, where would one go? And Spafford says, commenting on Prime's version of Software Tools, that the final release was into the public domain. Is it still extant? Has anyone seen hair or hide of the creature? That's the first matter/question. The second one is to do with /rdb, which a quick search on Google informs me, was written by Walter V. Hobbs of Rand Corp., and was placed in the public domain. It apparently is at: ftp://ftp.rand.org/pub/RDB-hobbs but I can't get through to it. Is there any copy of it extant at some site where I can get through to it? (I'm aware there is a software publisher that sells a more up-to-date version of it, but I'd like to play with the original and bring it up to date myself ;) Thanks Wesley Parish -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish ----- Gaul is quartered into three halves. Things which are impossible are equal to each other. Guerrilla warfare means up to their monkey tricks. Extracts from "Schoolboy Howlers" - the collective wisdom of the foolish. ----- Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people.

18 years, 1 month

32V, 3BSD and 4.0BSD on VAX-11/780

by nao

Hi, I could make SIMH VAX-11/780 emulator run 32V, 3BSD and 4.0BSD successfully. You can see (rather tarse) details on my web site: http://zazie.tom-yam.or.jp/starunix/ Enjoy! Naoki Hamada nao(a)tom-yam.or.jp

18 years, 2 months

[pups] hyperlinked 2.11bsd source code

by Walter F.J. Mueller

to all 2.11bsd users: when searching through the 2.11bsd code I wanted many times a hyperlinked and cross referenced rendition of the sources, much like doxygen or lxr does it. For kernel, lib and user code, for c and assembler. Since none of the existing tools seemed to do what I wanted I wrote a perl script generating such a html'ized version of the source code. The tool far from finished, but starts to be useful. The results from what I'd call an early alpha version are now available. Just start with either the tar source http://www-linux.gsi.de/~mueller/test/211bsd/usr/src/bin/tar.c.html or the kernel init routine http://www-linux.gsi.de/~mueller/test/211bsd/usr/src/sys/sys/init_main.c.ht… and click a little around. The style sheet is still the debug version, not all links end where they should. The cross reference sections aren't complete, but already useful. To see for example who is using setjmp see http://www-linux.gsi.de/~mueller/test/211bsd/usr/src/lib/libc/pdp/gen/setjm… or who is including nlist.h see http://www-linux.gsi.de/~mueller/test/211bsd/usr/include/nlist.h.html#xref:… The background color tells you in which territory you are in magenta boot and standalone code red kernel orange network code (running in supervisor) green libraries blue user level code Hope you enjoy it. With best regards, Walter -- Dr. Walter F.J. Müller Mail: W.F.J.Mueller(a)gsi.de GSI, Abteilung KP3 Phone: +49-6159-71-2766 D-64291 Darmstadt FAX: +49-6159-71-3762 URL: http://www-linux.gsi.de/~mueller/

18 years, 4 months

Re: [pups] Advice on which PDP-11 processor handbook to buy

by Walter F.J. Mueller

Hi Ross, you'll find on the Bitsavers Site (http://www.bitsavers.org) lots of documents, some handbooks under http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/pdp11/handbooks/ and the "PDP-11 Processor Handbook - PDP11/04/34a/44/60/70" under http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/pdp11/handbooks/PDP11_Handbook1979.pdf Under http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/pdp11 is quite a bit on various pdp-11 models, for example the "KB11-C Processor Manual (PDP-11/70)" http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/pdp11/1170/EK-KB11C-TM-001_1170procMan.pdf in case you'd like to go into details :). With best regards, Walter -- Dr. Walter F.J. Müller Mail: W.F.J.Mueller(a)gsi.de GSI, Abteilung KP3 Phone: +49-6159-71-2766 D-64291 Darmstadt FAX: +49-6159-71-3762 URL: http://www-linux.gsi.de/~mueller/

18 years, 5 months

Re: [pups] Advice on which PDP-11 processor handbook to buy

by Kevin McQuiggin

Why not just download one from one of the many online archives? Most of them are in PDF format. On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:25:52 -0800 iking(a)killthewabbit.org wrote: > Wow, they're saying $40 for the 1978 book? I don't think I'll lend out my > copy.... > > FYI, I run v6 on a PDP-11/34a with RK05 drives. The kernel that boots up > from the install media tries to be pretty generic, and yes, you can make > changes to it to optimize it for various platforms. > > So the real question is: what do you want to do? If you just want to run a > PDP-11 in emulation, any of these books will do fine for you. The basic > PDP-11 instruction set is pretty constant across the series (with some > niggling exceptions, but nothing you're likely to deal with in an > emulator). > There were extended instruction sets for some models, but again with an > emulator you can play to your heart's content. There were some differences > in memory management, which may or may not be important depending on what > you want to run; again, v6 runs fine on an 11/34 without separate I/D > spaces, while v7 and 2.11BSD require it (as I recall). But once > again, simh > will let you rock on with any of these OS's. > > For understanding Lions (i.e. understanding the underlying hardware > better), > any of these will do. IMHO, YMMV, MOUSE. And welcome to the community! > Cheers -- Ian > > -----Original Message----- > From: pups-bounces(a)minnie.tuhs.org [mailto:pups-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org] On > Behalf Of Ross Tucker > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 8:11 PM > To: pups(a)minnie.tuhs.org > Subject: [pups] Advice on which PDP-11 processor handbook to buy > > Hello all- > I'm a n00b on this list, so please forgive me my sins as I forgive those > who.... uh, never mind. Anyway, I am looking to get a "PDP-11 Processor > Handbook" from Amazon or eBay (so I can understand the Lions > book) and there are so many different editions and versions... Lions writes > about the 11/40, but supposedly, that's not too different from the /45 or > /70. My simh boot images for v6 are for the /45 (though supposedly I'm > supposed to be able to modify them to run on the others, right?). > > What I'm asking is your advice on which Handbook to buy. Here is a synopsis > on the editions and prices from amazon: > /04/34A/44/60/70 (1979) $10 > /04/34/45/55/60 (1978) $40 > /70 (1975) $16 > /04, 24, 34A, 70 (Jun 1981) $16 > /04/05/10/35/40/45 (1975) $45 > > What do you think? > > Thanks for your time, > Ross > _______________________________________________ > PUPS mailing list > PUPS(a)minnie.tuhs.org > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups > > _______________________________________________ > PUPS mailing list > PUPS(a)minnie.tuhs.org > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups >

18 years, 5 months

[pups] Advice on which PDP-11 processor handbook to buy

by Ross Tucker

Hello all- I'm a n00b on this list, so please forgive me my sins as I forgive those who.... uh, never mind. Anyway, I am looking to get a "PDP-11 Processor Handbook" from Amazon or eBay (so I can understand the Lions book) and there are so many different editions and versions... Lions writes about the 11/40, but supposedly, that's not too different from the /45 or /70. My simh boot images for v6 are for the /45 (though supposedly I'm supposed to be able to modify them to run on the others, right?). What I'm asking is your advice on which Handbook to buy. Here is a synopsis on the editions and prices from amazon: /04/34A/44/60/70 (1979) $10 /04/34/45/55/60 (1978) $40 /70 (1975) $16 /04, 24, 34A, 70 (Jun 1981) $16 /04/05/10/35/40/45 (1975) $45 What do you think? Thanks for your time, Ross

18 years, 5 months

RAND editor e19

by Gunnar Ritter

Hi, does anyone still have the source code for the RAND editor e19 <http://www.rand.org/pubs/notes/N2239-1/>? One can read on the net that it was once available as public domain from ftp.rand.org, but this machine seems not available anymore. There is an archive rand.tar.Z in the 2.10 (BSD) directory of CSRG CD 1, but this contains the older version e14. I think it would be good to also have the final version e19 in the Unix archive. Thanks Gunnar

18 years, 6 months

[pups] 2.11BSD Patch 445; FPSIM fixed; 211bsd runs on systems without FPP

by Walter F.J. Mueller

A note to all 2.11bsd users: Some time ago I looked into running 2.11bsd on systems without floating point unit. The release notes state that this is untested and unsupported, and indeed it didn't work. Robin Birch some time ago fixed part of the issues, see patch 434, but still the kernel paniced when the very first program was started. I managed to localize and fix the problem in sys/pdp/mch_fpsim.s. Steven Schultz right away issued 2.11BSD patch #445. All patches up to and including 445 are provided by Steven under ftp://sg-1.ims.ideas.gd-ais.com/pub/2.11BSD A patch level 445 system will now boot on simh for example on a set cpu 11/70 nofpp 4m configuration and work just fine, albeit a little slower. It should thus also work on a real 11/70 without FPP. I heard of some 11/70 with non-working FPP's, so this maybe good news for the owners. With best regards, Walter Mueller -- Dr. Walter F.J. Müller Mail: W.F.J.Mueller(a)gsi.de GSI, Abteilung KP3 Phone: +49-6159-71-2766 D-64291 Darmstadt FAX: +49-6159-71-3762 URL: http://www-linux.gsi.de/~mueller/

18 years, 6 months

running unix v7 on a pdp emulator

by Karim Hamidou

Happy new year. My name is karim hamidou and i'm french (you've surely noticed that my prose isn't bright) and i'd like to run unix v7 on the pdp emulator sim-2.3. Do you know how to run it ? I hope that my question isn't quite inappropriate. Thanks for your help. Regards. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

18 years, 6 months

V7 prompts

by Bill Cunningham

Hellwig, It's been a long time since I've been able to play with the simulator. Now I can't seem to get into V7. Can you point to me the page online because I don't have a .ps viewer that shows the commands again with the tapes and disks. tm(0,3) and so on. Bill

18 years, 6 months

SCCS source code available

by Gunnar Ritter

Hi, Sun has released the source code to the SCCS version control system: <http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=79598&tstart=0#79598> I have created a portable variant of it at <http://heirloom.sourceforge.net/devtools.html>. Gunnar

18 years, 6 months

booting vanilla v7 on simh problem

by Abel

While looking for virgin/vanilla v6 and v7 tapes to boot on simh, I'm kinda stuck. And since simh mailing list wasn't much help, cuz seems there mostly vax/vms guys, maybe it's someone here to help me out. V6.tape from Ken Wellsch was quite easy to boot, by cutting three rk images directly from it by means of "dd", then booting the root image and mounting source and doc where it should belong. Also it boots nicely in more traditional way off the tape by using "ltap" script from "www.ba-stuttgart.de/~helbig/os" and then following the standard install procedure for v6. The same "ltap" set of commands or it's slightly shorter version like this one: d 100000 012700 d 100002 172526 d 100004 010040 d 100006 012740 d 100010 060003 d 100012 172522 d 100014 105737 d 100016 172522 d -h 100020 80FD d 100022 005007 run 100000 boots "catted" in one file Keith Bostic v7 bits of tape, up to the Boot : promt. But when calling mkfs or restor programs by "tm(0,3)" or "tm(0,4)", the simh just hangs indefinitely. Can someone explain what I'm doing wrong maybe? Thank you. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

18 years, 7 months

Re: [TUHS] TUHS Digest, Vol 35, Issue 4

by lm＠bitmover.com

> for new code (and Sys V is mostly new enough, unlike Unix V32) after Hmm. I'm coming into this late so maybe I'm not seeing the full context. If the statement is that V32 != Sys V I have to disagree, I've read all of 32V source (kernel and user and I mean all of it. It's not like I had deep understanding of every line but my eyes have seen every line of code in 32V, it's not that big). I've also read large chunks of Sys V - not all of it, but depending on the release, fairly large chunks, like 80% or more. The idea that most stuff was rewritten in Sys V is not true, not even slightly true. I dunno if that is what is being claimed but if it is that's silly. Most of the stuff is the same, especially in userspace but also in the kernel, tons of the kernel is unchanged. -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitkeeper.com

18 years, 7 months

Open Sourcing IRIX?

by Lord Doomicus

Since SGI is EOL'ing IRIX at the end of the year, has anyone asked them if they would donate it's source ( under some sort of OSI license of course ) to the UNIX archive? Or is there too much SysV code in it? It would be cool to have easy access to the older IRIX versions for older SGI hardware. - Derrik Derrik Walker v2.0, RHCE lorddoomicus(a)mac.com http://www.doomd.net ... I am using an Apple Macintosh to design the Cray-3 supercomputer. -- Seymour Cray, 1986

18 years, 7 months

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