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by Tim Newsham

I am trying out apout using the "1972_stuff" binaries. When using "as" to assemble "ux" (e10-01 through e10-02) it gives an error "m 0024" (multiply-defined label) for the line: mount: .=.+1024. I assume this is because the assembler has predefined the "mount" system call (I ran across this earlier when using my system call table sys.s with ux with the v7 assembler). We can work around this (ie. use the v7 assembler without the definition for "mount"), but it worries me a little -- why does the listing have such an obvious and large flaw? The symbol "mount" is used in several places, so this isn't likely to be a small typo. I can't think of a good explanation as to why this error would exist in the listing other than possibly pointing to another assembler being used. Tim Newsham http://www.thenewsh.com/~newsham/

17 years, 2 months

[Unix-jun72] Existing resources

by Warren Toomey

I just thought I'd make a quick list of what we have at our disposal, apart from the humans that is :) http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/bellLabs/unix/PreliminaryUnixImplementationDoc… - the 1972 kernel on paper, currently being OCR'd in http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/1stEdman.html http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/PDP-11/Distributions/research/Dennis_v3/v3man.t… - manuals for 1st and 3rd Edition UNIX. I have 2nd Ed on paper, and I'll scan it in. http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/PDP-11/Distributions/research/1972_stuff/ - binaries from around 1972 in the s2.tar.gz tarball. - fragment of source code from 1972 in s1-fragments.tar.gz. http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Applications/Early_C_Compilers/ - early C compiler source, known to be working and can recompile itself. The last1120c.tar.gz is probably the one best suited to the 1972 kernel. http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/PDP-11/Emulators/Apout/ - Apout, an emulator which can actually run the 1972 binaries. This means we can use the 1972 tools to help reconstruct the system. http://simh.trailing-edge.com/ - Bob Supnik's simh emulator, which we can use to boot the kernel once it's typed in and assembled Cheers, Warren

17 years, 2 months

Re: [TUHS] Whence 1st Edition Unix Kernel Assembly?

by Warren Toomey

On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 10:53:30AM -0700, James A. Markevitch wrote: > I have been referring to this as version "1.5" since the date is later > than the first edition manual, but before the second edition manual. > Does anyone know if it's truly V1 of the kernel, or something between > V1 and V2? The date on the first page of the memo (PDF) is September 1972. That puts the memo after 2nd Edition (June 1972) and 3rd Edition (Feb 1973). The s2 tape in the Unix Archive has binaries which are dated mainly in 1972, spread from January thru to December, so they should be contemporaneous with the kernel in the PDF. The 1st Edition manuals are on-line on Dennis Ritchie's web page at: http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/1stEdman.html I have a photocopy of the 2nd Edition manuals from Norman Wilson; I will scan them in as a bunch of tiffs. The 3rd Edition manuals are at http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/PDP-11/Distributions/research/Dennis_v3/v3man.t… but they refer to the C version, so they may not be as useful here. > Does anyone have utilities earlier than the "1972" stuff from TUHS? No, the s1 and s2 tapes are the earliest machine readable files that we have. I'm assuming that some of you are keen to see it running. It's going to take a lot of work, especially on the debugging side. The existing 1972 binaries are already executable using my Apout emulator, so that will help in two ways: we can run the old assembler, and we can tell if a bug was in a userland binary and not in the kernel. If I get a chance, I should try to compare the 1e and 2e manuals, to outline the kernel API differences, as this might help us to determine which binaries we have that will run on the PDF kernel. Cheers, Warren

17 years, 2 months

Re: [TUHS] Whence 1st Edition Unix Kernel Assembly?

by James A. Markevitch

> On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 10:53:30AM -0700, James A. Markevitch wrote: > > I have been referring to this as version "1.5" since the date is later > > than the first edition manual, but before the second edition manual. > > Does anyone know if it's truly V1 of the kernel, or something between > > V1 and V2? > > The date on the first page of the memo (PDF) is September 1972. That puts > the memo after 2nd Edition (June 1972) and 3rd Edition (Feb 1973). However, the date at the bottom of each page of the source listing is 3/17/72. My assumption is that the code was from that date, but that the author of the memo spent a few months writing up the text that goes along with it. That's why I've been assuming that it was code somewhere between Version 1 and Version 2. > I have a photocopy of the 2nd Edition manuals from Norman Wilson; I will > scan them in as a bunch of tiffs. If possible, can you scan them at 400dpi or 600dpi? Those are much more amenable to OCR than 300dpi. Alternatively, if you can send me a hardcopy, I will scan it at 600dpi and pass it along to bitsavers. > I'm assuming that some of you are keen to see it running. It's going to > take a lot of work, especially on the debugging side. I have already noticed quite a few errors in the listing, so it's not clear that the PDF was something that actually ran, or whether it had been re-typed by somebody. So far, many of the errors I have found are in the "cold" portion of it, so it may be that the "warm" code will run properly. James Markevitch

17 years, 2 months

Re: [TUHS] The Coming 40th Anniversary of UNIX?

by Norman Wilson

I'm sure there will be at least some recognition of the 40th anniversary at a certain event in mid-June 2009 in San Diego. Norman Wilson Toronto ON

17 years, 2 months

The Coming 40th Anniversary of UNIX?

by Lord Doomicus

It occurs to me that next year will the the 40th Anniversary of UNIX. Is anyone planning any type of celebration? Perhaps the Vintage Computer Festival? - Derrik Derrik Walker v2.0, RHCE lorddoomicus(a)mac.com http://www.doomd.net The twenty first century is when it all changes, and Torchwood is ready! - Captain Jack Harkness, Torchwood Three.

17 years, 2 months

Whence 1st Edition Unix Kernel Assembly?

by Warren Toomey

All, I'm sure I saw a PDF document a few years ago which was an early UNIX kernel written in assembly code. I thought I had saved the document, but alas I can't find it. Can anybody remind me where to get it, or perhaps I was hallucinating! Thanks, Warren

17 years, 2 months

ocr/typing jun72 unix kernel code

by Tim Newsham

I've started an SVN for the OCR'd results: http://code.google.com/p/unix-jun72/ if anyone needs commit access email me your account name. I've already assigned some blocks to people. If you want a block either claim it in the notes.txt file or email me and I'll add it. Also if you have plans to perform raw OCRs of large sections of the original doc, please let me know or make a note of it in the notes.txt file. Tim Newsham http://www.thenewsh.com/~newsham/

17 years, 2 months

test

by Andrew Warkentin

This is a test. Please ignore. (checking if I am subscribed - the server doesn't appear to be sending success messages)

17 years, 3 months

the V distributed system

by Wesley Parish

I was researching various windowing systems for various reasons and I found the mention of the V distributed sytem on the W article stub on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W_Window_System "W was originally developed at Stanford University by Paul Asente and Brian Reid for the V operating system." A few questions here: is V close enough to Unix to warrant winding up in an "Other" category in the TUHS repository? Does anyone have a copy of it (plus source if possible)? If so, who should I contact? Thanks Wesley Parish -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish ----- Gaul is quartered into three halves. Things which are impossible are equal to each other. Guerrilla warfare means up to their monkey tricks. Extracts from "Schoolboy Howlers" - the collective wisdom of the foolish. ----- Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people.

17 years, 3 months

[pups] 2.11BSD patches?

by Warren Toomey

----- Forwarded message from Jonathan Engdahl <jrengdahl(a)gmail.com> ----- Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 22:50:29 -0500 From: Jonathan Engdahl <jrengdahl(a)gmail.com> To: wkt(a)tuhs.org, sms(a)2bsd.com Subject: 2.11BSD I don't know what got into me. I decided to fire up a PDP-11. I have not touched one of these for about 5 years. I've mostly been messing with embedded Linux stuff. The 2.11BSD patch archive has gone offline. Do you know if there is a mirror of this somewhere? http://moe.2bsd.com/ Jonathan Engdahl ----- End forwarded message -----

17 years, 3 months

Re: [pups] init on V6 Unix

by Wolfgang Helbig

Hi, Quing Feng, at http://www.ba-stuttgart.de/~helbig/os/v6/pdp11 you'll find a detailed description of the pdp-11 and its peripherals as needed for understanding design and implementation of V6. and at http://www.ba-stuttgart.de/~helbig/os/script/chapt2.4 you'll find a description of the init process. have fun, Wolfgang Helbig Warren Thomas wrote: > >On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 09:44:59AM +0800, Hao Qingfeng-TKNV68 wrote: >> Hello, Warren, Excuse me for my abruptness. I am QingFeng Hao from >> China and got your mail from the website through google searching, :-). >> I know you're expect on the operating system. Now I am researching the >> Unix V6's source code , but I met some questions, if you could spend >> some time to give some aim, I 'll apprecite it much. >> Question1: After startup, process 1 runs in the user mode and execute >> the file /etc/init actually, right? So what's the /etc/init's content? >> When was it written to the disk(combined with Unix)? >> Question2: Do you have any documents about the peripherals such as >> KL-11, PC-11? I just got a pdp11/40 and a simple hardware manual from >> the website. But they are not enough. >> Thanks a lot. >> QingFeng Hao >> Moto-SME > >Hi QingFeng, I think you should join the PUPS mailing list ( see >http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups ), as the people on >the list should be able to answer your questions. > >Q1: The source code for V6 init.c is here: > http://minnie.tuhs.org/UnixTree/V6/usr/source/s1/init.c.html > >Q2: I would browse through this area of bitsavers.org: > http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/pdp11/ > >Hope this helps, and if you have other questions please e-mail them >to the PUPS mailing list, so that we can all help you out. > >Cheers, > Warren >_______________________________________________ >PUPS mailing list >PUPS(a)minnie.tuhs.org >https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups -- "Dijkstra is right, but you don't say such things!" (A less courageous programmer) ------------- End Forwarded Message ------------- -- "Dijkstra is right, but you don't say such things!" (A less courageous programmer)

17 years, 3 months

[pups] init on V6 Unix

by Warren Toomey

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 09:44:59AM +0800, Hao Qingfeng-TKNV68 wrote: > Hello, Warren, Excuse me for my abruptness. I am QingFeng Hao from > China and got your mail from the website through google searching, :-). > I know you're expect on the operating system. Now I am researching the > Unix V6's source code , but I met some questions, if you could spend > some time to give some aim, I 'll apprecite it much. > Question1: After startup, process 1 runs in the user mode and execute > the file /etc/init actually, right? So what's the /etc/init's content? > When was it written to the disk(combined with Unix)? > Question2: Do you have any documents about the peripherals such as > KL-11, PC-11? I just got a pdp11/40 and a simple hardware manual from > the website. But they are not enough. > Thanks a lot. > QingFeng Hao > Moto-SME Hi QingFeng, I think you should join the PUPS mailing list ( see http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups ), as the people on the list should be able to answer your questions. Q1: The source code for V6 init.c is here: http://minnie.tuhs.org/UnixTree/V6/usr/source/s1/init.c.html Q2: I would browse through this area of bitsavers.org: http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/pdp11/ Hope this helps, and if you have other questions please e-mail them to the PUPS mailing list, so that we can all help you out. Cheers, Warren

17 years, 3 months

[pups] Integrated Solutions 68K CPU

by Bill Gunshannon

Does anyon know if any of the Unix versions for the Integrated Soulutions 68K CPU (the one that went in QBUS boxes) is still in existence and available anywhere? Also, there wre alternate PROMS that did MACSBUG is there any chance someone here knows if that is available any where? bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill(a)cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include <std.disclaimer.h>

17 years, 4 months

Re: [TUHS] Banyan Vines? Banyan/ePresence dissolves self

by Janet Sala

My recollection from those days was that Banyan Vines was developed in collaboration with DEC. I think it would have been more likely that it was BSD or (eek) ULTRIX based. I was working on system and network management at AT&T USO/USL/Novell/HP until 1997 and never heard it mentioned that Banyan Vines was on any sort of System V license though we were all quite aware of the product. I think I would have heard something if they were ³one of ours.² Given the timeframe it would more likely have been some sort of 7th edition license, but in those days BSD would have been the more logical choice. This is just my recollection, however. I¹ll see what I can track down in terms of facts. Very truly yours, - janet Janet Frazer Sala > > Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 01:56:26 -0700 > From: Andrew Warkentin <andreww(a)datanet.ab.ca> > Subject: Re: [TUHS] Banyan Vines? Banyan/ePresence dissolves self > To: tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org > Message-ID: <47A18D3A.5090401(a)datanet.ab.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Wesley Parish wrote: > >> >Who would one need to get in touch with, to ask about the possibility of >> >getting the various obsolete Banyan Vines bits and pieces donated to TUHS? >> >(It was based on a Unix kernel, so I would say it - one of the first NOSes >> to >> >have a directory - should be part of the TUHS repository.) >> > >> > > Wasn't it based on System V? Wouldn't that prevent it from being > released? (unless they made a similar deal with AT&T to the one Sun > made, which is very unlikely)

17 years, 5 months

Banyan Vines? Banyan/ePresence dissolves self

by Wesley Parish

I was reading Graklaw for more-of-the-same - boneheaded companies taking on productive people with intent to reduce dangerous productivity in favour of monopolizing transaction tokens ie, money - and I came across the article on some_bright_spark suing some other company for daring to try protecting networks from email-borne spam: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080125135544713 Which got me thinking - Banyan Vines was a player back then, and the comments mentioned only Novell. Surely there's something about Banyan's Vines? I did a google search and found this: http://www.bizjournals.com/masshightech/stories/2007/12/24/daily7.html?ana=… Wednesday, December 26, 2007 Liquidating ePresence distributes cash Mass High Tech: The Journal of New England Technology <snip> Framingham's ePresence Inc. reports a plan to distribute cash to its shareholders as part of its dissolution plan. The distribution of $3.6 million, or 14 cents per common share, is expected to be paid this week to those who were ePresence shareholders as of June 23, 2004. The distribution, combined with the previous distributions totaling $4.15 per share, would return a total $4.29 per share to ePresence shareholders, company officials said. EPresence was launched in 1983 as Banyan Systems, selling a network operating system and directory. But competitors such as Novell Inc. and Microsoft Corp. subsequently moved into that market and Banyan switched focus in 1997. In 2003, ePresence sold it services business to Unisys Corp. for $11.5 million. In 2004, the company sold its online telephone directory division Switchboard Inc. to Bellevue, Wash.-based InfoSpace Inc. for $160 million. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Who would one need to get in touch with, to ask about the possibility of getting the various obsolete Banyan Vines bits and pieces donated to TUHS? (It was based on a Unix kernel, so I would say it - one of the first NOSes to have a directory - should be part of the TUHS repository.) Thanks Wesley Parish -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish ----- Gaul is quartered into three halves. Things which are impossible are equal to each other. Guerrilla warfare means up to their monkey tricks. Extracts from "Schoolboy Howlers" - the collective wisdom of the foolish. ----- Mau e ki, he aha te mea nui? You ask, what is the most important thing? Maku e ki, he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. I reply, it is people, it is people, it is people.

17 years, 5 months

Re: [TUHS] TUHS Digest, Vol 44, Issue 5

by lm＠bitmover.com

I'm pinging my contacts to see if I can find a place to host a mirror. I think that Oregon State Open Source Lab has a fat link to the net and I used to know Scott K but he's moved on. If I get anywhere I'll get back to the list. BTW, whoever is the listmom, can you change me from digest to regular? -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitkeeper.com

17 years, 5 months

tropix

by Jose R. Valverde

Looking at the UNIX tree chart as I do from time to time to re-search for old UNIX, I came this time over TROPIX, which is a UNIX-like system developed from scratch on Brazil in their "IT cold war" times. The system is now open source and can be found at http://allegro.nce.ufrj.br/tropix/index.html the pages are in Portuguese (sic) but one may get install media and the full source code (Código Fonte). I wonder it if would be sensible to store a copy of it on TUHS as well. In any case, I've added it to the collection at ftp://ftp.es.embnet.org/pub/misc/os/UNIX/tropix I've run it on QEMU and it's got a somewhat distinctive look and feel (and command set). Curious to say the least. The major drawback is that it is all in Portuguese. j -- These opinions are mine and only mine. Hey man, I saw them first! José R. Valverde De nada sirve la Inteligencia Artificial cuando falta la Natural

17 years, 6 months

TUHS archives and rsync

by Jose R. Valverde

On the TUHS site there is a list of other available sites. If you want you can try mine (ftp.es.embnet.org/pub/misc/TUHS) but be advised that I try to keep copies of more things than the original site and it may be bigger. I can't remember offhand now if rsync was set up or not and I'm now on holidays abroad so it's difficult to check (mainly due to the strange french keyboard). Anyway, you're welcome and I will make sure rsync works (when I'm back on January) at my site. j -- These opinions are mine and only mine. Hey man, I saw them first! José R. Valverde De nada sirve la Inteligencia Artificial cuando falta la Natural

17 years, 6 months

Re: [TUHS] TUHS Digest, Vol 44, Issue 3

by lm＠bitmover.com

> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:58:40 +0000 > From: Tim Bradshaw <tfb(a)tfeb.org> > Subject: Re: [TUHS] HP Apollo Series 400 and DOMAIN/OS... > To: Wilko Bulte <wb(a)freebie.xs4all.nl> > Cc: tuhs(a)tuhs.org, asbesto <asbesto(a)freaknet.org> > Message-ID: <CAC4A7E7-B4E5-41FA-BA05-7707366B6215(a)tfeb.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > On 21 Dec 2007, at 12:31, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > > You could have DomainOS take a BSD or a SysV personality. Very > > interesting. > > Very tangentially, Masscomp's RTU (real time Unix) could do this > too. Other than that I think it is definitely something best > forgotten, as it was pretty horrid (although my memory may be biassed > by the awfulness of the HW) Oh, I have fond memories of the Masscomp. That's where I learned how to do sys admin (recovered from an rm -rf /) as well as networking (based on 4.1c BSD as I recall, plus hacks). Masscomp had a really nicely redone version of the socket programming docs that was most helpful at the time. I was ..!uwvax!geowhiz!geophys!lm as I recall and all the geo* were Masscomps. Ah, the joys of 20 users on a 40MB disk. That's why I wrote something that turned Honeyman's time optimal but space worst case pathalias db into O(time optimal) as well as O(space best case). Only dynamic programming alg I've ever done and written up. -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitkeeper.com

17 years, 6 months

HP Apollo Series 400 and DOMAIN/OS...

by asbesto

Hi! We just recovered an HP APOLLO Series 400 in our computer museum, and we got the installation tapes of DOMAIN/OS. It seem a very particular flavour of BSD 5.3. We also made a dump of the tapes, to preserve it. :D Does someone know more about it? What about licensing? Is it covered by some sort of hobbyist license? Kisses to everybody! :) asbesto/freaknet computer museum http://museum.freaknet.org -- [ 73 de IW9HGS : freaknet medialab : radiocybernet : poetry hacklab] [ http://freaknet.org/asbesto - http://papuasia.org/radiocybernet ] [ NON SCRIVERMI USANDO LETTERE ACCENTATE! - NON MANDARMI ALLEGATI ] [ *I DELETE* EMAIL > 100K, ATTACHMENTS, HTML, M$-WORD DOC and SPAM ]

17 years, 6 months

Anyone have a copy of the TUHS archive available for rsync?

by Aharon Robbins

Hi. Warren and I seem to be on opposite ends of the world network wise, such that I am unable to rsync to minnie to keep my copy of the TUHS archive up to date. Does anyone out there in TUHS land have a copy they're willing to make available for syncing? Thanks! Arnold Robbins

17 years, 6 months

test / [

by Tim Bradshaw

Does anyone know (remember) which Unices had .../bin/[ be a link to .../bin/test. I remember this being the case, but it is not so on any recent Solaris. It is the case on my Mac, so in at least one BSD derivative. I looked through a 7th edition tarball from the archive and it's not the case there. So my guess is that it is a BSDism, and it probably was the case in SunOS 4 and before, and I guess on at least 4.2BSD & later. Thanks --tim

17 years, 7 months

open solaris vi?

by Aharon Robbins

Has anyone tried / succeeded at getting the OpenSolaris ex/vi to compile and/or run under Linux? Thanks, Arnold

17 years, 7 months

Multics has been open sourced!

by Lord Doomicus

More info here: http://web.mit.edu/multics-history/ - Derrik Derrik Walker v2.0, RHCE lorddoomicus(a)mac.com http://www.doomd.net "I want to be on the list ... I try but they never put me on" -- Steve Wozniak on "being on the list"

17 years, 7 months

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