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Hey, I know and like Greg. I used to work for him. I've cc-ed him on this,
he may not know about this list. And might enjoy it.
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:07:19PM -0500, Brantley Coile wrote:
> Greg Chesson. He designed the uucp g protocol. There was a piece of
> networking gear at Murray hill that Greg worked on that every now and
> then would fail to connect. Someone modified the message to read "it's
> all Greg's fault.". Later the string became an errno, I think for the
> Netb file server protocol. Plan 9 still has an EGREG even though it is a
> string in plan 9. It now reads "Ken has left the building."
>
> iPhone email
>
> On Dec 15, 2009, at 7:02 PM, Warren Toomey <wkt(a)tuhs.org> wrote:
>
>> I just saw this on Groklaw:
>>
>> There were not many machines which ran Version 10. They were all
>> at Murray Hill and some of them were donated to Auburn University
>> when AT&T closed up shop. We got some old MicroVAX machines and
>> a couple of printed manuals. One of the printed manuals lists
>> various error codes. One of them is
>>
>> E_GREG Greg did it.
>>
>> Poor Greg. who was he, really?
>>
>> Anybody know the answer? Norman?
>>
>> P.S Merry Xmas to all.
>> Cheers,
>> Warren
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Tim Newsham:
Does anyone know if emulators are capable of running 8th ed
unix or later? What about emulation of the bitblit?
========
Who knows what blitjerq lurks in the hearts of men?
Seriously, an emulator with appropriate CPU settings should
be able to run latter-day Research UNIX without much trouble.
8/e would need a VAX-11/780 or 750; 10/e would work on a
VAX 8550 or 8700 (only one CPU, though) or a MicroVAX II
or III. I forget just when the MicroVAX work was first
done (by Ted Kowalski, who in an earlier day wrote fsck),
so I'm not sure at what point in the 9/e era it appeared;
but since 8/e was the last really organized tape we made,
it doesn't really matter.
As others have pointed out, the blit/jerq code didn't
run on the VAX, but in a separate terminal. For that
you'd need an emulator for the MC68000 or the WE32100.
By the time the 8/e tape was cut, the 68K-based Blits
had pretty much been retired; I'm not sure that code
would be as interesting to resurrect as that for the
WE32100-based Teletype 5620 DMD. Of course you'd
also have to emulate all the I/O devices, including
the decidedly-non-PS/2 keyboard and mouse.
I don't remember for sure any more (maybe Dennis does),
but the jerq code may have been on a separate tape
because the special C compiler for that CPU chip wasn't
easily redistributed--it came from the commercial side
of AT&T, not the research part.
Norman Wilson
Toronto ON
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Does anyone know if emulators are capable of running 8th ed
unix or later? What about emulation of the bitblit?
Do the few lucky people who have a copy of these run them
in emulation?
Tim Newsham | www.thenewsh.com/~newsham | thenewsh.blogspot.com
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before I do some code spelunking, does anyone here know the history of
termios? I've been doing some serial programming recently and wondering
how things got to the way they are... why is VTIME an inter-character
timer instead of a timer for an entire VMIN block, for instance?
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I was going to upload the various man pages of 32/V so I'd have a 'nice'
collection of them, and to help with my eventual conversion of the help text
into RTF for a windows helpfile when I was reading through the number
command...
http://gunkies.org/wiki/32v_1m_number
Number copies the standard input to the standard output, changing each
> decimal number to a fully spelled out version. Punctuation is added to make
> the output sound well when played through speak(1).
So it seems that VAX's could do audio at some point? Does anyone know how
it worked? Naturally the speak command seems to be missing, but it does
seem very interesting...!
I wonder if this was the start of the UNIX/IVR relationship....?
Thanks!
Jason
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Dear All,
I have a number of old Unix™ ½ inch reel to reel tapes. I would dearly love to transfer
the contents, if readable, to a more modern medium. If anyone has the facility to do this
please contact me. I'm located in the United Kingdom.
They are 800 or 1600 BPI, 9 track and, I suspect, NRZI encoded. They should be compatible
with DEC reel-to-reel drives, probably most others.
They contain various PDP/LSI-11 versions of AT&T Bell Research Laboratories UNIX™
Edition 6 and 7. The Bell tapes (1, 2 and 3) are for PDP-11/45 with other drivers.
The EUUG (European Unix Users Group) tape has kernels for various LSI-11 models
including LSI-11/23. It also contains a large number of contributed utilities.
There is more info at http://www.andycowley.com/Unix/tapes.html
best
Andy Cowley
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Only curious,
FWIW, the mailing list archives have not been updated since June 09. Is
this a bug or a feature?
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ZCZC
SPREAD THIS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW! :)
The Freaknet and Dyne.org hackers are delighted to invite you to a Poetry
Hacklab on-site and on-line event:
TROPPO CAFFE' POCO CERVELLO 9
=============================
2nd, 3rd, 4th (Friday, Saturday, Sunday) October 2009, Palazzolo Acreide,
at the misterious center "Lisbeth Salander"
in the Palazzolo Acreide countryside
http://dyne.org/tcpc
Italian version: http://poetry.freaknet.org/static/tcpc9
What is it?
===========
It's Poetry! It's Art, IT'S DELIRIUM!
IT'S ALL AND NOTHING, YIN AND YANG,
GOPHER and ARCHIE!
Now at the 9th edition, the "Troppo Caffe' Poco Cervello" (too much coffee,
too less brain) it's a cultural and scientific happening that lasts three
days where people from all the World (and beyond) are meeting in Palazzolo
Acreide and via the Internet to share experiences, research, culture,
poetry, art and science with the intention to create new and beautiful
things to donate to the community.
This edition will have people from all Sicily and also foreign guests
committed in advanced programming sessions, dissertations for beginners,
scientific experiments, sumptuous lunches, enormous dinners and sleepless
nights dedicated to the passion for computer science.
Poems will be read, poems will be written, all and nothing will be
discussed, weeds will be weeded, new weeds will be planted, debates will be
happen, decisions will be taken, all and nothing will be done!
Everyone can join, the important thing is to leave the brain at home and
bring a lot of coffee!
What will be done
=================
We will do a lot of BEAUTIFUL and USELESS things:
Radio link
----------
It's the first step to the world domination. The installation and the
configuration of an amateur radio link WI-FI which will give raise to
discussion about wireless technology, its use and some tricks (Netsukuku,
OLSR, Fonera, hardware modifications, dd-wrt etc) by Asbesto IW9HGS and
other radioamateurs possibly there. The distance that will be covered is
6.9Km :).
MuSE
----
A group of programmers from the Freaknet and Poetry Hacklab will establish a
on-line connection with dyne.org developers and follow this "code sprint"
plan:
http://lab.dyne.org/MuSE/SprintOct09
We want to develop a new version of MuSE streamer, a free application to
make your own on-line radio and your voice heard all around the world,
broadcasting audio files and live microphone all mixed in real time.
(http://muse.dyne.org)
Join us writing code or help translate the manual!
Other activities
----------------
Artistic performances, strolls in the surroundings or anything you want
could happen spontaneously; everything will be managed by the same people
who could throw off activities, keeping in mind we should not disrupt the
ANY the focus on the main activities described above.
Everyone is invited!
Logistics
=========
How nice is to be seated on chairs!
Food
----
Breakfast, lunch and dinner are completely self-managed so you're invited to
bring food and drinks and share them with everyone!
Lodging
-------
If anyone needs to sleep... there are two beds which we will assign to the
sleep of the weaks, you can sleep in a tent, so if you want to do so bring
your own TENT! Hopefully another space will be available. You will need to
adapt yourself to it because the objective is not to sleep! :) (obviously
special neeeds of resting/lodging will be satified, so don't worry, we won't
let you sleep on straw... maybe!)
Donations
---------
If you want to contribute money, you are very welcome to do so, via Paypal
or even via bank wire-transfer. We have a clear plan for it: we hope we will
gather some funds spreading this event and collect them to be invested in
more software development on MuSE.
This software is very important! a lot of people can use it completely for
free to do radio, it is the way we can make free speech happen.
But we have no money to continue development, which was stopped for more
than 3 years now, so please donate some money! and you'll help us all
provide concrete results and useful tools to all our communities.
The plan is: we will develop a lot during TCPC9, package the application for
existing distributions and update it to be stable and to use latest
libraries. After the TCPC9 we will see what we've reached and what is still
left to do, then we will put out tasks and money offers out of the money
collected from your donations, so that more developers can get involved and
help us finish the work.
This is the first time we try to do this so pleaase don't leave us alone!
spare some money NOW and you'll get QUALITY FREE SOFTWARE soon!
Link for donations:
http://poetry.freaknet.org/index.php/Troppocaffepococervello9#Donazioni
or directly from http://dyne.org/tcpc !!!
JOIN us ON-SITE
===============
We will meet on Friday 2nd October 2009 in Palazzolo Acreide, at Poetry
Hackab or directly to the tcpc location! To get there follow this map:
http://poetry.freaknet.org/index.php/File:Screenshot1.png
Follow SS2287 to Palazzolo Acreide, 2km before the start of the village
there is a crossroad to Solarino/Ferla on the right handside, so turn right
and follow SS124. Keep going until you see a small red house on your right,
then take immediately the small street next to the house on the right and
keep going until you get to the place. You will hear tearing noises and
inhuman shouts; you will see half-naked cavemen fighting against hardawre
and software around the fire of the Alchemic Furnace: you got there!
To reach Palazzolo Acreide from Catania with bus:
http://www.aziendasicilianatrasporti.it/
Once you are in Palazzolo and you don't know how to reach us, just call
someone: MAYBE we will fetch you. Who knows!
JOIN us ON-LINE
===============
For more information contact us or call +39 931-1-845-849
Internet Relay Chat:irc.dyne.org
(SSL only, port 9999) channel #dyne and #TCPC
REMEMBER, BRING THE COFFEE, AND LEAVE THE BRAIN AT HOME!
NNNN
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I found this site the other day, and I thought it may be of interest to
everyone..
http://www.flashterm.com/
It's a telnet client that runs in the flash runtime. I know with the
proliferation of flash (and the odd removal of it in Vista machines) this
could be a neat way to get people to 'try out' ancient unix...
coupled with SIMH it looks like something interesting, esp as it seems all
the java clients are not free.. well at least the ones I've found.
Anyways, if anyone is interested to see it in action on a simulated VAX I've
set one up here:
http://75.127.119.16/telnet/
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For 4.4BSD files, if no copyright and license is listed for specific
files, does the standard UCB license apply? Is there any file or statement
that says the license covers all files which don't have a specific license
in 4.4BSD-Lite ?
Any RCS commit history for old CSRG code?
I am looking for the authors/history/copyrights for BSD
share/mk/files.
I see that 4.4BSD-Alpha has:
r--r--r-- 3/7 792 Aug 26 05:00 1992 usr/share/mk/bsd.doc.mk
r--r--r-- 3/7 3761 Aug 26 05:00 1992 usr/share/mk/bsd.lib.mk
r--r--r-- 3/7 1574 Aug 26 05:00 1992 usr/share/mk/bsd.man.mk
r--r--r-- 3/7 4140 Aug 26 05:00 1992 usr/share/mk/bsd.prog.mk
r--r--r-- 3/7 1244 Aug 26 05:00 1992 usr/share/mk/bsd.subdir.mk
r--r--r-- 3/7 1387 Aug 26 05:00 1992 usr/share/mk/sys.mk
but missing the bsd.README
I couldn't find these in the other old 4 and 3BSDs (via the tuhs
archive).
The share/mk/bsd.README from NetBSD import in 1993 has:
# @(#)bsd.README 5.1 (Berkeley) 5/11/90
And sys.mk has:
# @(#)sys.mk 5.11 (Berkeley) 3/13/91
And bsd.doc.mk:
# @(#)bsd.doc.mk 5.3 (Berkeley) 1/2/91
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I found and patched an error in the network driver for UNIBUS ethernet
controllers
DEUNA/DELUA in 2.11BSD for PDP-11.
Error reproduction:
--------------------------
Build 2.11 BSD with ethernet/TCP/IP support over DEUNA/DELUA controller.
Configure the network.
Boot up 2.11 BSD, switch to multiuser mode.
Wait for 15 Minutes, until all ARP caches in the system are aged out.
Try to ping the PDP-11 from a network node, which is NOT listed anywhere
in the
PDP-11's network configuration files. Ping will fail.
Important: since arp requests are also arp responses, do not ping the
test node from your
PDP-11. The test node may not be contacted by the PDP-11!
Before testing, verify on the test node that the PDP-11 is unkown. The
command "arp -a" must not display the PDP-11 yet.
You can clean the test node's arp cache by executing "arp -d *".
This can also be reproduced in SimH,
for example with the installation downloadable at
/www.ak6dn.com/PDP-11/2.11BSD/
Error explanation:
--------------------
The DEUNA/DELUA does not answer ARP requests, so other network nodes
can not get the PDP-11's ethernet MACID and can not send anything to it.
The DEUNA/DELUA does not answer ARP because it does not receive ethernet
broadcast packets
(those addressed to MACID FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF).
And it is not receiving broadcasts, because the DELUA driver in
/sys/pdpif/if_de.c
did not set up the DELUA's packet filter to receive FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF.
Error patch
---------------
In /sys/pdpif/if_de.c , the DEUNA/DELUA must be programmed to receive
ethernet broadcast pakets.
The good way would be to explicitly add MACID FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF to the
filter.
The fast and dirty way was to program the DELUA to receive ALL multicasts,
by setting one more bit in the mode register:
In /sys/pdpif/if_de.c, change line
ds->ds_pcbb.pcbb2 = MOD_TPAD|MOD_HDX;
into
ds->ds_pcbb.pcbb2 = MOD_TPAD|MOD_HDX|MOD_ENAL;
Status
-----------------------------
This is a major bug, as it prevents the PDP-11 under 2.11BSD to run as a
server.
It's hard to believe that it is still there.
In the typical quick "boot up and ping someone" test, it is almost
invisible.
The bug is not present in the DELQA driver "if_qe.c".
I did posted already to alt.sys.pdp11 newsgroup.
The error has been acknowledeged by one other user.
In the BSD patch archive, this bug seems not to be addressed.
regards
Joerg Hoppe
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Hi All. A while back Tim wrote:
> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:25:00 -1000 (HST)
> From: Tim Newsham <newsham(a)lava.net>
> To: tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org
> Cc: Uriel <uriel99(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: [TUHS] 8th ed manual sets
>
> This might be of interest to people on this list (originally
> posted to the 9fans list):
>
> On Sat, 1 Aug 2009, Uriel wrote:
> > Thanks to Fish's contribution I have made the Unix 8th Edition manuals
> > available at:
> >
> > http://man.cat-v.org/unix_8th/
> >
> > [ ... ]
I asked about a tarball on 9fans, and got this reply to the list, which
I'm forwarding here:
| From: 0intro(a)gmail.com (David du Colombier)
| Subject: Re: [9fans] off topic: manual sets
| Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 22:25:28 GMT
|
| > Is a tarball of the 8th ed manual troff files available?
| >
| > The Unix Historical Society (see www.tuhs.org) would like to have this
| > too, I don't doubt.
|
| I temporary put it online [1]. Feel free to mirror it.
|
| I obtained this stuff from an generous anonymous
| donor few years ago.
|
| I thought it would be better to share it.
|
| [1] http://www.9grid.fr/man.tar.bz2
|
| --
| David du Colombier
I sent Warren a copy of the tarball. If I can steal the hour, I
may try to create a PDF, just for the fun of trying. Feel free to
beat me to it. :-)
Thanks,
Arnold
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Hi all!
Just curious, has anyone here managed to get 4.1cBSD (or any 4.1 for that matter) running under SIMH or any other hardware or software?
How does one prepare a SIMH-format distribution tape from a collection of files? I haven't found a whole lot of information on the subject, and I imagine it'd be fairly difficult to make a root dump without a pre-existing system...
Many thanks to all in advance!
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This might be of interest to people on this list (originally
posted to the 9fans list):
On Sat, 1 Aug 2009, Uriel wrote:
> Thanks to Fish's contribution I have made the Unix 8th Edition manuals
> available at:
>
> http://man.cat-v.org/unix_8th/
>
> Tons of fascinating stuff there, including the jerq docs in section 9
> ( http://man.cat-v.org/unix_8th/9/ ) and what I think is the oldest
> documentation of the /proc file system
> (http://man.cat-v.org/unix_8th/4/proc ).
>
> Fish also contributed some pages from section 1 of the Unix Writer's
> Workbench: http://man.cat-v.org/unix_WWB/1/
>
> Thanks again to Fish for this wonderful contributions, and of course
> to the original authors of all this amazing material.
>
> Peace
>
> uriel
>
> P.S.: I'm still working out a couple of kinks in the web interface
> that make =(1) and Mail(1) inaccessible, but almost everything else
> should work fine, if you notice any problems please let me know.
>
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Uriel<uriel99(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> Slightly off topic (of this thread), but I'm looking for troff sources
>> of 8th, 9th, 10th and Plan 9 1st Editions to complete the man page
>> collections at http://man.cat-v.org
>>
>> If anyone knows where I can find copies of any of those, I would be
>> most grateful.
>>
>> uriel
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Benjamin
>> Huntsman<BHuntsman(a)mail2.cu-portland.edu> wrote:
>>> Sorry for the off-topic post, but I'm striking out on google, and I'm virtually certain that someone here will know...
>>>
>>> Does anyone happen to have the ISBN's for the 7th Edition manual set?
>>> Volume I is 0-03-061742-1, but I can't seem to find the others...
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>> -Ben
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Tim Newsham
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I thought I remembered something interesting about 6th Edition RK05
handlers, and went back to check RK(IV) in the manual. There it is,
Raid 0.
"Drive numbers (minor devices) of eight and larger are treated
specially. Drive 8+x is the x+1 way interleaving of devices rk0 to
rkx. Thus blocks on rk10 are distributed alternately among rk0, rk1,
and rk2." Goes on to enumerate precautions, like don't use the same
physical drive for both normal and interleaved operation.
I myself never tried this, because I didn't have enough confidence in
the error-free operation of a single RK05 drive, let alone two or
more. Note that this feature disappeared by the time of 7th Edition
RK(4).
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There's what looks to be a detailed timeline of UNIX history here:
http://www.levenez.com/unix/
Regards,
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"Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"
Can anybody explain why the 2BSDs that were distributed with kernel source
code are numbered 2.8BSD upwards. Why start numbering at 8?
P.S Actually I have a 2.79BSD in the archive which came out in 1979 just
before 2.8BSD, so could it be that the '2.79' means 1979, and numbering
followed incrementally after that?
Cheers,
Warren
Well, the matter is simple: I'm trying to install 2.11 BSD in one PDP-11/23
PLUS with 4MB of ram, and the 'restor' and 'icheck' utilities don't load in
he PDP, returning this message:
"Can't load split I&D files"
I tried with the diverse distributions of Vtserver and diverse versions of
'restor'. In the case of the 2.9BSD this don't happen but the utility can't
understand what is the 'vt' device.
Someone has encountered and solved this problem ?
Regards
Sergio
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 04:34:22PM -1000, Tim Newsham wrote:
> I just got to watch the video (slow download) and it looks
> like the talk went very well! What was the BOF like? Did
> you get a chance to demo the system and have people poke at it?
Yes, the BOF went well, about 30 people from various vintages, a few young
Linux-types, but also old farts like Norman Wilson, Andrew Hume and Bill
Cheswick. I showed them V1 in action, but not ed as my ed skills are not
flash. Also showed V5, V7, but didn't get nsys working. Still, showed them
the nsys code. Lots of stories & anecdotes. It went for 2 hours or so,
with a few stragglers left chatting after that for another 1/2 hour. Overall
a good response.
Cheers,
Warren