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John Sundman's takes on Evgeny Morozov, Open Source, et al

by Clem Cole

My apologies if some find this as spam, but I suspect this group might also find this a worth while read. Full discloser, I have known John since 1983 or 1984 (I do not remember when we were co-worked at the firm he talks about in the article [Masscomp]. I have also read of number of his books and liked them. In my role as President of USENIX, I allowed John to hawk his books at some of our conferences, but other than buying his books, I have never given him $s. http://my-thoughts-exactly.wetmachine.com/the-meme-hustler-hustler-evgeny-m… Clem Note: I predated John at Masscomp (and I think he left for Sun before I left for Stellar). Many of you know that MSCP was an early 1980s a start up with a lot of ex-VMS/VAX guys (that predated Sun and actually did $20M in business the year Sun did it's first $1M).. Tim, Janet and I shared a card table as our first desk. I think John and Steve did get hired until we expanded to the 2 bldg in Littleton and kicked SW out. Everything in the piece WRT to Masscomp I will valid as true, and like John; when I have run into Tim in the past few years I'm not sure he recognized me either [although unlike John, I do still exchange christmas cards with Steve Talbot and just two weeks ago got an email from Tim about something else]. I completely agree with John's point about about Eric Raymond too BTW. And John makes a side bar, that "open source" being co-opted from the 60s. He's stumbled on that right. I have always said the "father" of Open Source was the late Prof Donald O. Peterson (aka dop) from what he did in the late 1960s. But that's a story for another time.

11 years, 11 months

Ethernet Marks 40 Years Linking People, Computers in a Wired World

by Clem Cole

I fear a sad part of this slide show is that many of us remember and were part of it all. Some of us programmed these machines (I admit that I still have some of these pieces in my basement). I was disappointed they did not show a "stinger tap." The picture of the Alto shows the first mouse – the Hawley Labs mechanical mouse (which I miss for its feel). Check out the picture of the first Cisco router using Intel Multibus (with a Motorola 68k in it) looking so awkward. http://www.eweek.com/networking/slideshows/ethernet-marks-40-years-linking-…

12 years

Need a new PDP-11 or VAX?

by Dave Horsfall

http://blog.dynamoo.com/2013/04/need-new-pdp-11-or-vax.html -- Dave

12 years

Re: [TUHS] Need a new PDP-11 or VAX?

by David Barto

Larry McVoy said: On Apr 28, 2013, at 7:00 PM, tuhs-request(a)minnie.tuhs.org wrote: > We build source management systems and we still drop into assembler for > some stuff. For example, we want to give ourselves a stack traceback > when something dies. Another example is inner loops that are performance > critical, we stare at the assembler. I don't mind staring at the assembly, I just don't want to hand crank it any longer. :-/ I'll spend quite some time fussing with the compiler and optimization flags to get loops to run at maximum speed before I'll take the assembly in hand to 'make it right.' For stack traces, I've found the GNU compiler support for stack tracing quite handy and for my company it works quite well. On the discussion of x86 assembly, I have to agree that it is horrific. I'll take ARM (and I have done context switchers and trap handers in ARM) any time. David Barto /my name in your iPhone, it is more likely than you think.

12 years

Re: [TUHS] Login names of early Unix contributors

by Doug McIlroy

About two queries on the topic. Yes, L. L. Cherry is Lorinda Lillian Cherry. Rudd Canaday was in on building the foundation, but not the ground floor. When the Thompson/Ritchie/Canaday (and independently Strachey/Stoy) file system came to be built, Rudd had completed his visiting assignment in Computing Science Research. When he did get a login, he was rhc, but his UID was not among the single-digit set. Doug McIlroy

12 years, 1 month

Fwd: TUHS Digest, Vol 102, Issue 1

by Jonah G. Sinowitz

rudd canaday? > From: tuhs-request(a)minnie.tuhs.org > Subject: TUHS Digest, Vol 102, Issue 1 > Date: March 31, 2013 9:00:01 PM EDT > To: tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org > Reply-To: tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org > > Send TUHS mailing list submissions to > tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tuhs-request(a)minnie.tuhs.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tuhs-owner(a)minnie.tuhs.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of TUHS digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Login names of early Unix contributors (Doug McIlroy) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 10:44:11 -0400 > From: Doug McIlroy <doug(a)cs.dartmouth.edu> > To: tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org > Subject: [TUHS] Login names of early Unix contributors > Message-ID: <201303311444.r2VEiBjR027109(a)stowe.cs.dartmouth.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >> Does anyone have a record or pointer regarding the login names of the >> early Unix contributors? > [...] >> In particular I'm interested in the login names of following people: >> S. R. Bourne >> D. Haight >> S. C. Johnson >> J. F. Maranzano >> L. E. McMahon >> S. I. Feldman >> J. F. Ossanna >> M. E. Lesk >> R. H. Morris >> D. A. Nowitz > [...] > > Your correspondents have done a good job of reconstructing the > old list. Alas, I can't remember the only missing entry, Dick > Haight's login. The above list, however, wants one small > correction. Robert Morris did not have a middle name, the > "h" was a figment for filling in forms that wanted a middle > initial. > Another important name is > L. L. Cherry llc > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TUHS mailing list > TUHS(a)minnie.tuhs.org > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs > > > End of TUHS Digest, Vol 102, Issue 1 > ************************************

12 years, 1 month

by Doug McIlroy

> Does anyone have a record or pointer regarding the login names of the > early Unix contributors? [...] > In particular I'm interested in the login names of following people: > S. R. Bourne > D. Haight > S. C. Johnson > J. F. Maranzano > L. E. McMahon > S. I. Feldman > J. F. Ossanna > M. E. Lesk > R. H. Morris > D. A. Nowitz [...] Your correspondents have done a good job of reconstructing the old list. Alas, I can't remember the only missing entry, Dick Haight's login. The above list, however, wants one small correction. Robert Morris did not have a middle name, the "h" was a figment for filling in forms that wanted a middle initial. Another important name is L. L. Cherry llc

12 years, 1 month

mancvt

by Steve Simon

I was trying to generate PDFs of some PWB manual pages but they use V6 macros. I have found tmac.an6 which generates somthing readable but stamps each page with: THIS MANUAL ENTRY NEEDS TO BE CONVERTED - SEE mancvt(1) and man(7) Anyone know of mancvt, I cannot find it. -Steve

12 years, 2 months

xargs - where from?

by Steve Simon

Ok, another trivia question. where did xargs come from? I started with Edition 7 (Perkin Elmer V7 + bits of BSD 2.1) and I am pretty sure it wasn't there. I have a feeling it was printed in a book as shell script, somthing like Bourne's book, or Kernighan and Pike but I'am not sure. Anyone remember? -Steve

12 years, 3 months

Re: [TUHS] TUHS Digest, Vol 100, Issue 12

by Sheila M. Morrissey

Thanks for this alert Sheila -----Original Message----- From: tuhs-bounces(a)minnie.tuhs.org [mailto:tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org] On Behalf Of tuhs-request(a)minnie.tuhs.org Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:00 PM To: tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org Subject: TUHS Digest, Vol 100, Issue 12 Send TUHS mailing list submissions to tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tuhs-request(a)minnie.tuhs.org You can reach the person managing the list at tuhs-owner(a)minnie.tuhs.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of TUHS digest..." Today's Topics: 1. opensolaris.org will be close soon (Cyrille Lefevre) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:15:37 +0100 From: Cyrille Lefevre <cyrille.lefevre-lists(a)laposte.net> To: tuhs(a)tuhs.org Subject: [TUHS] opensolaris.org will be close soon Message-ID: <51244DE9.2060901(a)laposte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Hi, FYI, as seen on opensolaris.org : ATTENTION: This website and all services within the opensolaris.org domain will be unavailable after March 24, 2013. at least, http://hub.opensolaris.org/ and http://dlc.sun.com/osol/ will be available at : http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://hub.opensolaris.org/ http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://dlc.sun.com/osol/ but not http://src.opensolaris.org/source/ due to robot.txt any other subdomain to check ? Regards, Cyrille Lefevre -- mailto:Cyrille.Lefevre-lists@laposte.net ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS(a)minnie.tuhs.org https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs End of TUHS Digest, Vol 100, Issue 12 *************************************

12 years, 3 months

opensolaris.org will be close soon

by Cyrille Lefevre

Hi, FYI, as seen on opensolaris.org : ATTENTION: This website and all services within the opensolaris.org domain will be unavailable after March 24, 2013. at least, http://hub.opensolaris.org/ and http://dlc.sun.com/osol/ will be available at : http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://hub.opensolaris.org/ http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://dlc.sun.com/osol/ but not http://src.opensolaris.org/source/ due to robot.txt any other subdomain to check ? Regards, Cyrille Lefevre -- mailto:Cyrille.Lefevre-lists@laposte.net

12 years, 3 months

"Electronic Mail Without Aliases"

by Aharon Robbins

Hi All. Mike Lesk sent me the paper and gave me permission to send it out. See attached. Warren, please find a spot for this in the archives. Thanks! Arnold -- Aharon (Arnold) Robbins arnold AT skeeve DOT com P.O. Box 354 Home Phone: +972 8 979-0381 Nof Ayalon D.N. Shimshon 9978500 ISRAEL

12 years, 3 months

by Diomidis Spinellis

Does anyone have a record or pointer regarding the login names of the early Unix contributors? A few (aho, dmr, bwk, doug) are listed in http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/who/, but many others seem to be missing. In particular I'm interested in the login names of following people: S. R. Bourne D. Haight S. C. Johnson J. F. Maranzano L. E. McMahon S. I. Feldman J. F. Ossanna M. E. Lesk R. H. Morris D. A. Nowitz I guess the /etc/passwd file from a Bell Labs system of the mid 1970s would be ideal, but even partial recollections would help me.

12 years, 3 months

Re: [TUHS] [9fans] Ancient History: "Electronic Mail Without Aliases"

by Aharon Robbins

Adding the TUHS people... In article <3b6a67956d8b807d3d3319a395892b67(a)9srv.net> you write: >Does anyone on the list have a copy of or pointer to >"Electronic Mail Without Aliases", by Elliott and Lesk? >It's referenced in the 8th Edition Unix manual, but >I've never read it (and only have vol1 of the manual). Thanks, Arnold -- Aharon (Arnold) Robbins arnold AT skeeve DOT com P.O. Box 354 Home Phone: +972 8 979-0381 Nof Ayalon D.N. Shimshon 9978500 ISRAEL

12 years, 3 months

10th Edition, 8th Edition

by Benjamin Huntsman

While the subject of historical stuff has been brought up, anyone thought about going another round with Attachmate to see if they'd extend the Ancient UNIX License to include v10, v9, and v8? Attachmate is the current owner these days, aren't they? I'm sure they, Novell, AT&T, and Lucent all don't care. But someone's still got to sign the line. I'm really hoping to see v10x86, like v7x86 someday!! I've got a copy of v8 I'd love to make available some day, and I know there are at least one or two copies of v10 still in existence. last I heard, there was no v9. Anyone here know anybody at Attachmate? Many thanks! -Ben

12 years, 3 months

Re: [TUHS] history of sbin?

by Norman Wilson

Armando Stettner: > decvax!aps Larry McVoy: ...!uwvax!lm ===== Well, if we're going to play the one-up game: research!norman though for a few years before that it was research!cithep!norman Norman Wilson (now) Toronto ON

12 years, 3 months

1974 CACM Paper, was Re: history of sbin?

by norman＠oclsc.org

Herr Doctor Wkt: Does anybody have a PDF of the 1974 Unix CACM paper, I seem to have misplaced my copy. ======= It appears to be generally available via the ACM Digital Library, of all places. (No, I'm not so smart: Google pointed me there.) http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=361061 It appears to be the genuine 1974 version, though my paper copy of that issue of CACM is buried behind too many boxes right now for me to dig it out and check. Disk storage for `The PDP-11/45 on which our UNIX installation is implemented' is as Warren describes for the 6th Edition update: 1MB fixed-head disk, four 2.5MB removable-cartridge drives, and a single 40MB removable-pack drive. Norman Wilson Toronto ON

12 years, 3 months

history of sbin?

by Jeremy C. Reed

I have heard the story a few times about sbin split is due to disk space, such as told at http://www.osnews.com/story/25556/Understanding_the_bin_sbin_usr_bin_usr_sb… http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/busybox/2010-December/074114.html But I don't see any mention of it in 32V and not in BSD until around Net2 (like in 1991 src.README said ``... there has been a major reorganization of the file system. (You may have seen similar reorganizations on systems shipped by Sun Microsytems [sic] and Digital Equipment Corporation, among others.) ... /sbin same as /bin, but binaries for the root user''. The slides from Feb. 1988 for a BSD BOF at USENIX mentioned this sbin reorganization. Looking at "Unix Text Processing" (1987) and "Life with Unix" (1989) I didn't see any use of sbin/. (I didn't look at my other old books.) >From searching old 1980 usenet archives I only saw a few mentions (like /usr/brl/sbin/...). When did some (non-BSD) systems ship and document /sbin, /usr/sbin? Is the common story (liked linked above) the right story? Jeremy C. Reed echo uggc://errqzrqvn.arg/obbxf/ofq-uvfgbel/ | \ tr "noqruvxzabcefgl" "abdehikmnoprsty"

12 years, 3 months

Re: [TUHS] History of strncpy

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Ronald Natalie <ron(a)ronnatalie.com> wrote: > I suspect strcpy arrived with the "portable I/O library", an abomination > that eventually evolved into the stdio library and to this day is still > stinking up the standard C language. What's so bad about stdio? That's a genuine question - I've never had a reason to dislike stdio... SF

12 years, 3 months

Museo dell'Informatica Funzionante - PRESS RELEASE

by asbesto

Museo dell'Informatica Funzionante Computer Museum in Palazzolo Acreide, Italy http://museum.freaknet.org Just a few lines to announce that some of our historical computers are back online 24/7 for free use! We have 2 VAX/VMS systems and an emulated PDP-11/34 running RT-11 (that's the exact copy of our physical RL01 boot disk) Have a look here, and enjoy! :) http://museo.freaknet.org/en/computer-storici-vaxvms-nuovamente-online/

12 years, 3 months

can anyone use QIC 6250 tape cartridges?

by Aharon Robbins

Hi. I have two QIC 6250 tape cartridges that have been in (I hope) dry boxes for over 15 years. I suspect they're still usable but have no equipment with which to test them or try to read them. It'd be nice to get a CD back with copies of what's on them if that's possible, but that'd be icing on the cake. Drop me a note and we'll see if we can figure something out for mailing them. Thanks, Arnold

12 years, 4 months

History of strncpy

by Nevin Liber

On another list I am on, a discussion about the history and purpose of strncpy has arisen. The only reference I have found to it is < http://lwn.net/Articles/507432/>: The original reason for strncpy() was when directory names were limited to 14 chars. The other two bytes contained the inode number. For that particular case, strncpy() worked quite well. Is that really the reason it came into being? Just a bit curious, -- Nevin ":-)" Liber <mailto:nevin@eviloverlord.com> (847) 691-1404

12 years, 4 months

OpenLook CDs in the Unix Archive

by Warren Toomey

Hi all, Arnold Robbins has donated a couple of OpenLook CDs to the Unix Archive. I've put them into Applications/OpenLook. Here is his note: I have a CD from ian(a)darwinsys.com dated 9/2005 with OpenLook-XView-1.0e on it, and what looks like another one with the same date with version 1.2. I'm still extracting the first one onto disk; it's in the 550+ Megabyte range. Files are dated 1995. Right now it's only on minnie until the mirrors pick it up: http://minnie.tuhs.org/Archive/Applications/OpenLook/ Cheers & thanks Arnold & Ian, Warren

12 years, 4 months

Unable to boot v7 UNIX

by Rox 64

Hi guys, new SIMH (and Research Unix) user here coming from the future (Linux), haha. Well, as the mail subject says, I have a problem. After creating a bootable disk from a virgin Unix v7 distribution tape by following this guide, http://homepages.thm.de/~hg53/pdp11-unix/, and after umounting the usr file system and halting the machine, SIMH returns: HALT instruction, PC: 000002 (HALT) after running the command: pdp11 run.conf and I cannot boot my 87,9 MB 'system.hp' disk. I thought the problem was on the final line of 'run.conf': run 2002 But when I use SIMH without .conf files and by manually typing the following commands: set cpu 11/45 set cpu 256k set rp0 rp04 attach rp0 system.hp boot rp0 I see the same HALT message too. I'm currently unning SIMH from Debian/Ubuntu package 3.8.1-5build1. Should I update to a newest one? Or did I make a mistake when creating my bootable disk?

12 years, 4 months

The UNIX System: Making Computers More Productive

by Cyrille Lefevre

Hi, Don't remember if this was already posted to this list, so, just in case it wasn't... The UNIX System: Making Computers More Productive http://techchannel.att.com/play-video.cfm/2012/2/22/AT&T-Archives-The-UNIX-… In the late 1960s, Bell Laboratories computer scientists Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson started work on a project that was inspired by an operating system called Multics, a joint project of MIT, GE, and Bell Labs. The host and narrator of this film, Victor Vyssotsky, also had worked on the Multics project. Ritchie and Thompson, recognizing some of the problems with the Multics OS, set out to create a more useful, flexible, and portable system for programmers to work with. What's fascinating about the growth of UNIX is the long amount of time that it was given to develop, almost organically, and based on the needs of the users and programmers. The first installation of the program was done as late as 1972 (on a NY Telephone branch computer). It was in conjunction with the refinement of the C programming language, principally designed by Dennis Ritchie. Because the Bell System had limitations placed by the government that prevented them from selling software, UNIX was made available under license to universities and the government. This helped further its development, as well as making it a more "open" system. This film "The UNIX System: Making Computers More Productive", is one of two that Bell Labs made in 1982 about UNIX's significance, impact and usability. Even 10 years after its first installation, it's still an introduction to the system. The other film, "The UNIX System: Making Computers Easier to Use", is roughly the same, only a little shorter. The former film was geared towards software developers and computer science students, the latter towards programmers specifically. The film contains interviews with primary developers Ritchie, Thompson, Brian Kernighan, and many others. While widespread use of UNIX has waned, most modern operating systems have at least a conceptual foundation in UNIX. Release date: 02/22/2012 http://wpc.5C42.att-acdn.net/005C42/techchannel/10959/videos/10959_AA11180_… Regards, Cyrille Lefevre -- mailto:Cyrille.Lefevre-lists@laposte.net

12 years, 5 months

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