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Re: [TUHS] TUHS Digest, Vol 17, Issue 41

by David

Just finished it. He isn’t the greatest presenter, and it is an interesting overview of how the Bourne shell got written, including some of the quirks it has to this day. David > On Apr 15, 2017, at 7:00 PM, tuhs-request(a)minnie.tuhs.org wrote: > > Subject: [TUHS] Steven Bourne - early days of unix talk > Message-ID: <201704151756.v3FHuUI4019407(a)freefriends.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >> From the 9fans list: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kEJoWfobpA

8 years, 1 month

FTP issue

by Arrigo Triulzi

May I recommend you use the ftp-proxy setup on OpenBSD? It is well-documented here: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/ftp.html So far it has solved all passive FTP issues behind NAT for me. Arrigo

8 years, 1 month

Re: [TUHS] TeX/troff/typesetting markups - Re: SunOS 4 documentation

by Michael Kerpan

Comparing documents produced by Heirloom troff and modern versions of LaTeX, I just can't see a huge difference. The main thing TeX has going for it is LyX, which makes composing documents a whole lot more comfortable for folks raised on WYSIWYG. If a tool like that was available for troff... Mike On Apr 14, 2017 6:24 PM, "Toby Thain" <toby(a)telegraphics.com.au> wrote: On 2017-04-14 9:56 AM, Michael Kerpan wrote: > Of course, these days, there's a version of troff that borrows TeX's > layout rules, while also adding vastly improved font handling, support > for the most useful/widely used groff extensions, and more. Why Heirloom > troff isn't more widely used is a puzzle for the ages. > No matter how far you tart up the former, Troff and TeX just aren't playing the same ballgame. --T > Mike >

8 years, 1 month

Steven Bourne - early days of unix talk

by arnold＠skeeve.com

>From the 9fans list: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kEJoWfobpA It's about an hour long; haven't watched it yet. Arnold

8 years, 1 month

editors passim

by Steve Simon

Another one i would be interested to know more of. whilst at college i used an inter data 3210 running edition 7, which was version 7 with bits of 2.1 bsd (very much from memory). there was an editor on that machine i have never seen or heard of since - le. it was a visual editor, and i think supported multiple windows, of termcap style. anyone know more? -Steve

8 years, 1 month

The QED editor, and its modern versions

by Christian Neukirchen

While we are on the topic of old Unix editors, I once made Caltech qed build again: https://github.com/chneukirchen/qed-caltech Also, I've been trying to contact David Tilbrook, who maintains(-ed?) his own version of qed, without success. I got an evaluation copy of his QEF build system, which contains a bit of documentation about it, but no binary. Perhaps someone here can help out, or knows more? -- Christian Neukirchen <chneukirchen(a)gmail.com> http://chneukirchen.org

8 years, 1 month

UK written UNIX line editor in early 80s?

by Steve Mynott

In the autumn of 1984 as an undergrad at Durham University (UK) I remember using a Pascal compiler (pc) on a BSD4.1 system (bumped after several months to 4.1c and running I would guess on a small VAX?) and using a strange line editor (probably because the terminal had crude screen handling capabilities?). I can't remember much about it other than it seemed to resemble ex. I think I was told it was written in the UK and doing some Googling suggests it may have been "em" (Editor for Mortals) from Queen Mary College. However, the time frame for that editor was late 70s and it would have been quite old by 1984. So my current theory is that it was a fork (maybe with a different name) or later version? Anyone use this editor or anything similar around 1984? -- 4096R/EA75174B Steve Mynott <steve.mynott(a)gmail.com>

8 years, 1 month

The Rand Editor

by ron minnich

is this code lost or out there somewhere?

8 years, 1 month

BSD 4.2 distribution differences

by Arthur Krewat

Hello all... I have a BSD 4.2 distribution that I imaged a few years back. It differs from the one in Warren's archives in subtle but significant ways. It appears to be a few months earlier than the one at: http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/UCB/4.2BSD/ Case in point, from srcsys.tar: diff -r ./GENERIC/vers.c /home/krewat/archive/unix/tuhs/4BSD/Distributions/4.2BSD/bin/srcsys/GENERIC/vers.c 1c1 < char version[] = "4.2 BSD UNIX #8: Sun Oct 2 12:03:09 PDT 1983\n"; --- > char version[] = "4.2 BSD UNIX #9: Wed Nov 2 16:00:29 PST 1983\n"; or from src.tar: diff -r ./bin/mail.c /home/krewat/archive/unix/tuhs/4BSD/Distributions/4.2BSD/bin/src/bin/mail.c 2c2 < static char sccsid[] = "@(#)mail.c 4.18 (Berkeley) 9/9/83"; --- > static char sccsid[] = "@(#)mail.c 4.21 (Berkeley) 11/1/83"; 449,454d448 < if (strcmp(my_name, "root") && < strcmp(my_name, "daemon") && < strcmp(my_name, "network")) { < usage(); < done(); < } (was doing a diff -r of the entire tree) stand (first file on tape) is the same down to the checksum. But the checksum for every other file (tape files, not individual files) on the tape is different. Also weird is that on my distribution, these exist: < -rwxrwxr-x 0/10 0 Jul 26 16:37 1983 ./ucb/lisp/doc/ < -r--r--r-- 0/10 3522 Jul 26 03:08 1983 ./ucb/lisp/doc/lmacs < -r--r--r-- 0/10 5196 Sep 25 21:01 1983 ./ucb/lisp/doc/ch0.n < -r--r--r-- 0/10 13713 Sep 25 21:01 1983 ./ucb/lisp/doc/ch1.n < -r--r--r-- 0/10 42144 Sep 25 21:01 1983 ./ucb/lisp/doc/ch2.n < -r--r--r-- 0/10 9278 Jul 26 03:09 1983 ./ucb/lisp/doc/ch3.n < -r--r--r-- 0/10 34324 Sep 25 21:01 1983 ./ucb/lisp/doc/ch4.n < -r--r--r-- 0/10 18913 Jul 26 03:10 1983 ./ucb/lisp/doc/ch5.n < -r--r--r-- 0/10 21543 Sep 25 21:01 1983 ./ucb/lisp/doc/ch6.n < -r--r--r-- 0/10 162 Jul 26 03:10 1983 ./ucb/lisp/doc/ch61.n < -r--r--r-- 0/10 19093 Jul 26 03:10 1983 ./ucb/lisp/doc/ch7.n < -r--r--r-- 0/10 26713 Sep 25 21:01 1983 ./ucb/lisp/doc/ch8.n < -r--r--r-- 0/10 12914 Jul 26 03:11 1983 ./ucb/lisp/doc/ch9.n < -r--r--r-- 0/10 8107 Jul 26 03:11 1983 ./ucb/lisp/doc/ch10.n < -r--r--r-- 0/10 8694 Sep 25 21:01 1983 ./ucb/lisp/doc/ch11.n < -r--r--r-- 0/10 22170 Jul 26 03:12 1983 ./ucb/lisp/doc/ch12.n < -r--r--r-- 0/10 11453 Jul 26 03:12 1983 ./ucb/lisp/doc/ch13.n < -r--r--r-- 0/10 6678 Jul 26 03:12 1983 ./ucb/lisp/doc/ch14.n < -r--r--r-- 0/10 6368 Jul 26 03:12 1983 ./ucb/lisp/doc/ch15.n < -r--r--r-- 0/10 36465 Jul 26 03:13 1983 ./ucb/lisp/doc/ch16.n < -r--r--r-- 0/10 6301 Jul 26 03:13 1983 ./ucb/lisp/doc/chb.n < -r--r--r-- 0/10 4364 Jul 26 03:13 1983 ./ucb/lisp/doc/chc.n < -r--r--r-- 0/10 5700 Jul 26 03:13 1983 ./ucb/lisp/doc/Makefile < -r--r--r-- 0/10 12 Jul 26 03:13 1983 ./ucb/lisp/doc/indexsed < -r--r--r-- 0/10 98 Jul 26 03:13 1983 ./ucb/lisp/doc/mantags < -r--r--r-- 0/10 166 Jul 26 03:13 1983 ./ucb/lisp/doc/extrnames.awk < -r--r--r-- 0/10 94 Jul 26 03:13 1983 ./ucb/lisp/doc/fixmks.sed < -r--r--r-- 0/10 57142 Jul 26 03:14 1983 ./ucb/lisp/doc/franz.n But in the TUHS version, ./usb/lisp/doc is linked to /usr/doc/lisp - which doesn't seem to exist. These are just examples of what I see and not the only differences.

8 years, 1 month

4.3 Wisc file transfer

by Mary Ann Horton

Apologies if this is already on the list somewhere. What's the best way to transfer files in and out of the simh 4.3BSD Wisc version? I can do it with tape files, but it seems like FTP or ssh or NFS ought to be possible, and none is behaving at first blush. Also, what's the recommended way to shut down the system? I shutdown now to single user, then sync a few times, then ^E, but when I boot again I get fsck errors serious enough to require a manual fsck (which generally works fine.) Thanks, Mary Ann

8 years, 1 month

A decision

by Warren Toomey

All, in the 25 years of running this list, generally things have gone well and I've not had to make many unilateral decisions. But today I have chosen to unsubscribe Joerg Schilling from the list. I'm sending this e-mail in so that there is a level of transparency here. I've sent Joerg an e-mail outlining my reasons. Cheers, Warren

8 years, 1 month

Happy birthday, Internet!

by Dave Horsfall

The Internet (spelled with a capital "I", please, as it is a proper noun) was born in 1969, when RFC-1 got published; it described the IMP and ARPAnet. As I said at a club lecture once, there are many internets, but only one Internet. -- Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will suffer."

8 years, 1 month

Re: [TUHS] 4.3 Wisc file transfer

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Mary Ann Horton > What's the best way to transfer files in and out of the simh 4.3BSD Wisc > version? I can do it with tape files, but it seems like FTP or ssh or > NFS ought to be possible, and none is behaving at first blush. Someone should add the equivalent of Ersatz-11's 'DOS' device to SIMH; it's a pseudo-device that can read files on the host filesystem. (Other stuff too, but that's the relevant one here.) A short device driver in the emulated OS, and a program to talk to it, and voila, getting a file into the emulated system is a short one line command, none of this hassle with putting the bits on a virtual tape, etc, etc. I found editing files with 'ed' on my simulated V6 system painful (although i still have the mental microcode to do it), so I did my editing under Windows (Epsilon), and then read the file down to the Unix to compile it. Initially I was doing it by putting the file on a raw virtual pack, and doing something similar to that tape kludge. Then I got smart, and whipped up a driver for the DOS device in Ersatz-11, and a program that used it, to allow me to easily read a file from the Windows filesystem down to the Unix. Going around the compile-debug-edit loop is totally painless now. Noel

8 years, 1 month

sun-spots

by Richard Tobin

In the 1980s an important resource for Sun users was the sun-spots mailing list. I can't find an archive of it, though some digests were posted to comp.sys.sun and are accessible (with some difficulty) through Google Groups. Does anyone know of a complete archive? -- Richard -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.

8 years, 2 months

Re: [TUHS] Unix clones

by Doug McIlroy

> That's interesting that that sort of thing dates back (at least) to the Labs. Research couldn't hold a candle to Development on making smooth transitions. You don't take a telephone switch offline to change a file format or the like. The development cycle used to be about three years: one year for design, one for implementation, and one to build a hybrid to bridge the transition. At 2AM on Sunday, you'd install the hybrid on one of the dual cross-checked processors at a time, so the switch was never interrupted. Later you'd dispense with the hybrid the same way. Doug

8 years, 2 months

Re: [TUHS] Non-US Unix Activities

by Doug McIlroy

> Steve keeps a copy of Bullet running even today This conjures images of a mediaeval faire! Doug

8 years, 2 months

Re: [TUHS] Non-US Unix Activities

by Richard Tobin

> While going through papers recently we found what was I am reasonably > sure the quote for the first Sun sold in Scotland which might be of some > interest (inevitably I now don't know where it is, although we did not > throw it away). We're not sure whether it is for that machine, but we > are sure that my wife (who isn't on the list) ran it (a 2/120 we think). > It started out with SunOS 1 (or perhaps before). In 1984 the Programming Systems Groups in Edinburgh's AI department was contracted by SERC to evaluate workstations for its "Common Base" program. We had a Sun 2/120, a Whitechapel MG-1, an Apollo Domain system, and I think we already had at least one PNX Perq. We recommended Suns. I can't find the report we wrote anywhere online, but I'm fairly sure I've seen it in the last couple of years. Presumably we gave the evaluation 2/120 back to Sun and bought the one mentioned by Tim (it was called "islay" unless I have become confused) a bit later, in 1985. -- Richard -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.

8 years, 2 months

Re: [TUHS] Non-US Unix Activities

by Berny Goodheart

> On 7 Apr 2017, at 03:00, tuhs-request(a)minnie.tuhs.org wrote: > > That's a good point Josh. I've been trying to find copies of UKUUG and > EUUG newsletters to add to the archive, along with the AUUG newsletters. > > So if you're on this list and outside of the US, now is the time to > speak up with anecotes etc. Oh, and if you have anything worth adding > to the Unix Archive, please let me know Sheesh! Where to begin.... When I lived in Aus my wife and I were very close friends with John and Marrion. When he passed away, Marrion asked me to clean up his office at UNSW and collect anything of importance. Suffice to say I collected an awful lot of extremely important Unix memorabilia including copies of his books and his first original copy with hand written editing and signed by both Ken and Dennis. There's also the original Unix licenses signed off by BWK. There is so much stuff I can't list it all here but it's boxes (emphasing plural). When I left Aus I brought all this stuff for safe keeping back to the UK. That was 1996. Some time ago, I think at leat 15 years past I was in contact with someone from AUUG (grog may recall) hoping that they would send to collect it all but nothing happened. I also spoke to Armando about all this stuff he suggested a few things but even USENIX group weren't interested. So here I am with all this important stuff.....I would dearly love to hand it off. However I want some sort of guarantee that it would be housed somewhere safe for prosperity and not eventually ending up on eBay...if you know what I mean. As to AUUGN...well one of the boxes contains just about every copy of the newsletter that was published since issue 1 through to the 1996 editions. Warren please email me if you want to discuss further. Cheers Berny Sent from my iPhone

8 years, 2 months

Re: [TUHS] Unix clones

by Clem Cole

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 9:18 PM, Wesley Parish <wes.parish(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > The mention of UNOS a realtime "clone" of Unix in a recent thread raises a > question for me. How many > Unix clones are there? > An interesting question.... I'll take a shot at this in a second, note there is a Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Unix_variants that I don't fully agree with. The problem with all of this question is really depends where you place which boundary on the following continuum: non-unix add-unix ideas trying to be unix might as well be unix research unix stream eg VMS eg Domain eg UNOS eg Sys V, BSD/386 & Linux Vx & BSD VAX Different people value different things. So here is my take from the "cloned" systems I used/was basically aware.... Idris was a V6 clone for the PDP-11, which I saw 1978ish. I can say I was able to recompile code from v6 and it "just worked" so from a user's standpoint it might as well has been. But the compilers and assemblers were different and I never tried anything "hard" The first attempt to "clone" v7 that I knew about was in France, and written in Pascal - I think at Ecole Tech in Paris? The name of the project escapes me, but they presented the work in the 1979/80 winter USENIX (Blackhole) conference in Denver. There were no proceedings in those days. I believe it also ran on the PDP-11, but I never ran it so; so I have no idea how easy it was to move things from Seventh Edition. But I also don't think they were working binary compatibility, so I think it landed more toward the center. The Cruds folks (Goldberg) wrote UNOS shortly there after (early 80s) It was definitely not UNIX although it tried to have be mostly. We had CRDS box at Masscomp and before I arrived they plan had been to use it get code working before the RTU was running. But the truth was it failed because it was not UNIX. The 68000 vs Vax issues were far, far less of an issue than UNOS != UNIX. To Goldberg's credit, he did have a couple of cool things in it. I believe only system commercial systems that used Kanodia & Reed's Sequences and Eventcounts, were UNOS, Apollo Doman, and Stellar's Stellix (I'm not sure about DG - they might have also at one point). But these were hidden in the kernel. Also the driver model he had was different, so there was no gain writing drivers there. Mike Malcom & Dave Cheriton at Waterloo developed Thoth (Thoth - Thucks), which was written in B, IIRC. Ran on the PDP-11 and was very fast and light. It was the first "ukernel" UNIX-like/clone system.. Moving code from V7 was pretty simple and there was attempt to make it good enough to make it easy to move things, but it was not trying to be UNIX so it was somewhere in the middle. The Tunis folks seem to have been next. This was more in the left side of the page than the right. I think they did make run on the PDP-11, but I'm not so sure how easy it was to move code. If you used their concurrent Pascal, I suspect that code moved. But I'm not sure how easy it was to move a raw K&R "White Book" C code. CMU's Accent (which was redo of Rochester's RIG) came around the same time. Like Tunis the system language was an extended Pascal and in fact the target was the triple drip Perq (aka the Pascalto). The C compiler for it was late, and moving code was difficult, the UNIX influence was clear. Apollo's Aegis/Domain really came next - about 82/83 ish. Like Accent it was written in hacked up Pascal and the command were in Ratfor/Fortran (from the SW Tool User's Group). C showed up reasonably early, but the focus did not start trying to be UNIX. In fact, they were very successfully and were getting ISV's to abandon VMS for them at a very good clip. UNIX clearly influenced the system, but it was not trying to be UNIX, although moving code from BSD or V7 could be done fairly easily. Tannebaum then did MINIX. Other than 8086 vs PDP-11-ism, it was a pretty darned good clone. You could recompile and most things pretty much "just worked." He did not support ptrace and few other calls, but as a basic V7 system running on a pure PDP PC, it was remarkably clean. It also had a large number of languages and it was a great teaching system - which is what Andy created it be. A problem was that UNIX had moved on by the time Andy released it. So BSD & V8 were now pretty much the definition of "UNIX" - large address spaces were needed. As were the BSD tools extensions, such as vi, csh. Also UUCP was now very much in the thing, and while it was a pure v7 clone, it was the lack of "tools" that made it not a good system to "use" and it's deficiencies out weighed the value. Plus as discussed elsewhere, BSD/386 would appear. Steve Ward's crew at MIT created TRIX, which was a UNIX-like, although instead of everything being a file, everything was a process. This was supposed to be the system that rms was originally going to use for GNU, but I never knew what happened. Noel might. I thought it was a cool system, although it was a mono-kernel and around this time, most of the OS research had gone ukernel happy. Coherent was announcement and its provenance is questioned, although as discussed was eventually released from the AT&T official inquiry and you can look it your self. It was clearly a V7 clone for the PC and was more complete than Minix. I also think they supported the 386 fairly quickly, which may have made it more interesting from a commercial standpoint. It also had more of the BSD tools available than Minix did when it was first released. CMU rewrites Accent to create Mach, but this time splices the BSD kernel inside of it so that the 4.1BSD binaries "just work." So it's bit UNIX and a new system all in one. So which is it? This system would begat OSF/1 and eventually become Apple's Mac OS? I think its UNIX, but one can claim its not either.... By this point in time the explosion occurs. You have Lion's book, Andy's and Maury Bach's book on the street. he genie is clearly out of the bottle, and there is a ton of code out there and the DNS is getting all mixed up. Doug Comer does Xinu, Sheraton does V-kernel, Thoth is rewritten to become QNX, and a host of others I have not repeated. BSD's CSRG group would break up, BSDi would be created and their 386 code come out. It was clearly "might as well be" if it was not. Soon, Linus would start with Minix and the rest is history on the generic line. Clem

8 years, 2 months

Re: [TUHS] Non-US Unix Activities

by Arrigo Triulzi

Ah, so someone rattled our cages… I see Alec has already chimed in so I guess it is time for the others to admit culpability. I’m Italian, born & raised in Milan and first touched Unix in 1978 on my father’s TTY via an acoustic coupler into the “Unix machine” at the University of Milan. It was actually a completely “illegal” venture because the acoustic coupler was not the official one from the Italian monopoly telco, SIP (now Telecom Italia), but one which my dad had imported from the US as he used to work for Honeywell. Not only, the Unix machine was another amazing story because it belonged to the “Cybernetics” group of the Physics Department as the proper Computer Science department did not yet exist (it would be later born as an offspring of the Physics department as “Scienze dell’ Informazione”, Information Sciences aka dsi.unimi.it when “the Internet” arrived) and was run out of God knows who’s funds (Italian academic funding is particular in that you get handed pots of money under generic titles and then what you do with them is your problem). I distinctly remember being asked to change a disk pack aged 8 and causing quite a kerfuffle when I switched the wrong pack. I *think* it was a Vax but cannot remember (age…). At some point I was handed my first Unix book, an Italian translation of a McGraw-Hill book which contained a series of exercises. I ended up following them faithfully, including e-mailing root at the time who was a lady called Anna who’s password was “favola” (fable) and, er, it actually worked when I tested by copying straight out the book. I assume that they thought the readership would not have access to the exact machine the book was written on! At home we eventually landed a string of fancy kit plus access to my father’s GECOS & other Honeywell kit including a Western Digital Pascal uEngine (gorgeous), Apple ][e, etc. but my first “home Unix” was an Onyx C8002, a Z8000-based system with a 40Mb disk and “my" lovely ADM 3a serial terminal on which I learned C on Unix Version 7. That was 1980. After the Onyx we “upgraded" to a series of disastrous Xenix systems but eventually *the* machine came into our house: a gorgeous Data General Aviion pizza box followed by an even more powerful “radiator” later model. Cue: learn X11 :) In parallel by then I was also managing a set of Sun workstations (both Sun3 & Sun4) and a Silicon Graphics at the University of Milan for a professor researching “eidomatics”. I had a memorable joust, my first security gig, with the guy running “idea” (name censored as he turned out to be exactly who he was predicted to be in his youth). Shifted myself to the UK for uni and landed at Imperial College where within a few months I was root on the RS/6000 cluster which had just been purchased and, as they say, the rest is history including running SunOS, installing the first three DEC Alpha workstations in the UK (tera, the server, giga and mega, the “clients”) along with a slew of Ultrix MIPS DECstations which were then upgraded to Alpha via the, then available, “upgrade kit”. Ended up running Alphas & Suns a bit everywhere in Imperial plus a few HPs for the Aeronautical Engineering bunch. I hate HP/UX, for reference. Following Imperial ended up at the now defunct London Parallel Applications Centre where I had an Alpha farm, several Alpha workstations and “my” MasPar plus a rarity, an AMT DAP. Cue: HPF, MPI, etc. etc. plus Tandem K10000. Then Mathematics again where it was Linux & Sun Solaris. At some point I ended up on IPv6 & 6BONE with my very own 3FFE:: prefix. Startup time because it was the dot.com thing and K2 Defender was born (http://www.k2defender.com/) as a co-founder, a gigantic distributed NIDS based around a Tandem S-series (Cue: more TACL) and then ported “down” to a simple Unix database. Then death of the startup because the product was far too early for the world and the only customers would not readily buy from an Italian & South-African/German combo. Since then independent security consultant with an eternal adoration for old Unix systems, in particular Motorola 88K-based. Machines owned in various ways: * VAX w/ Unix * Onyx C8002 * Data General Aviion with System V * tons of PCs running whatever Unix I could lay my hands on * Sun3 * Sun4 until my Ultra & SS10 died * SGI Irix on different machines * Apollo DN10000 * A/UX 1.0 (yes, that too…) * RS/6000 w/ AIX * RIOS with RISCOS (I think…) * Linux since 0.12 booting off a floppy in the Mathematics undergrad PC room :) * OpenBSD since 2.2 * FreeBSD since forever * NetBSD only occasionally * HP/UX * OSF/1 since T1.0 until the bitter end (I still have a gorgeous PWS 600au with the Evans & Sutherland 3D graphics card) * Ultrix * WD9000 w/ Pascal * Xenix * Tandem Unix layer * Convex * other absurd Unix variants I have forgotten… Arrigo

8 years, 2 months

New on the list!

by Gilles Gravier

Hello all! Thanks Warren for accepting / inviting me! Old timer of computing... Did and contributed the port of PGP 2.6.3i to MIPS RC/3230 in 1993-1994 (cause I needed that to order a Munititions T-Shirt from Adam Back). Yeah... I was running crypto on my corporate server, in France, while it was illegal. But I wanted the T-Shirt... In effect, I can say "been there... done that... got the t-shirt" :) Gilles

8 years, 2 months

Anybody with V7M experience?

by Warren Toomey

All, I'm trying to build a split I/D kernel for V7M. I've installed the system following my notes at http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/DEC/Jean_Huens_v7m/simh_notes.txt Reading the setup.txt document in the same place, I should be able to do: cd /sys/conf make all44 (build the kern & dev components split I/D) mkconf < hptmconf (set up for hp and tm devices) make unix44 (link the kernel) cp unix_id /nunix (copy it to the root) However, when I try to boot the kernel: PDP-11 simulator V4.0-0 Beta git commit id: 24f1c06d #nunix Trap stack push abort, PC: 071752 (BIS #1,(R3)) Thanks in advance for any help. Warren

8 years, 2 months

Unix clones

by Wesley Parish

The mention of UNOS a realtime "clone" of Unix in a recent thread raises a question for me. How many Unix clones are there? (My interest in Unix was the result of a local computer magazine, Bits'n'Bytes in the late 80s and early 90s discussing two clones, Minix and Coherent in its Unix column. Then came Linux ...) We've got a timeline (in several forms, in the 4.3BSD and 4.4BSD books and The Magic Garden, on Groklaw, and elsewhere) for Unix and its developments; has anyone done one for the clones? Thanks Wesley Parish "I have supposed that he who buys a Method means to learn it." - Ferdinand Sor, Method for Guitar "A verbal contract isn't worth the paper it's written on." -- Samuel Goldwyn

8 years, 2 months

I just noticed all the cfont aka C++ in research

by Jason Stevens

I suppose that it would make sense that all of AT&T's leading edge projects would use research Unix. I've always heard of the original C++ to C translator but this is the first time I've actually seen it. It doesn't look like it had the wide scale following that C or Fortan had at this point. Sadly my experience with C++ was mostly tied to Borland on the micro in early 90's, which makes it look mature compared to these early versions. It's great finding stuff like this in the tree hiding in plain sight, if only you know what to look for. (http://unix.superglobalmegacorp.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/researchv9/cmd/cfron…) Or that emacs was in the v9 tree, in the religious wars I always imagined NJ being more vi. Thanks again for making this release happen! -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

8 years, 2 months

Re: [TUHS] [Uucp] utzoo

by Dave Horsfall

On Thu, 30 Mar 2017, Warren Toomey via Uucp wrote: > On 03/29/2017 11:09 PM, Dave Horsfall via Uucp wrote: > > Let the cancel/rmgroup/flame wars begin :-) > > :-P And I still bear the scars from the aus.bizarre war... And I'll bet that not many people remember that little episode :-) > > (Been too busy to set up "utzoo" yet, so if anyone is desperate for it > > then they can have it instead; my long-term goal is to run SimH on a > > RasbPi but first I have to afford one...) > > What's your address? I've got an unused Raspberry Pi that I'll send you > (or anyone else). ;-) First come, first serve. To be sent privately... -- Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will suffer."

8 years, 2 months

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