TUHS February 2003

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LoC now involved with saving digital history

by Wm. G. McGrath

Howdy all, Is it possible that the Unix Archive might be able to get a little funding or assistance from the Library of Congress? This recent story in the Washington Post suggests that there is now a lot of money available in theory at least. I wonder if we would qualify for funding? bill Plan Approved to Save U.S. Digital History - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10278-2003Feb14.html?referre… The Library of Congress announced the next step in the effort to preserve that history: congressional approval of its plan for the National Digital Information Infrastructure and Preservation Program.

22 years, 1 month

[pups] Re: PDP11 - RQDX1 standalone format utility? --> XXDP

by Jonathan Engdahl

I documented the procedure to extract a program from XXDP and put a header on it so that you can boot it from VTserver or a UNIX disk. It has been a long time since I did this to ZRQCH0, so I practiced on the program that I think Christos needs (ZRQBC1) and sent it to him. There's a lot I don't know about the a.out header, so if someone can improve my method, let me know. http://users.safeaccess.com/engdahl/xxdp.htm#hackXXDP "Teach a man to fish..." -- Jonathan Engdahl http://users.safeaccess.com/engdahl "The things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are not seen are eternal." II Cor. 4:18 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christos Papachristou" <chpap(a)ics.forth.gr> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 4:57 AM Subject: PDP11 - RQDX1 standalone format utility? > I would like to do a bad sector scan on a RD52 connected to a RQDX1 > controller (The machine is a pdp11/73 without OS) prior to installing > BSD2.11.Is there a standalone program like zrqch0(standalone version of > zrqc from the xxdp package - only for RQDX3) that can be downloaded > directly to the pdp via vtserver and recognizes the RQDX1 , i.e. a version > of zrqb or something similar?

22 years, 1 month

[pups] 211BSD and TSV05 - Boy, Do I feel stupid

by Christopher McNabb

On Sat, 2003-02-22 at 22:04, Christopher McNabb wrote: > I have a TS05 tape drive and TSV05 controller. The TS11 driver for > 211BSD seems to be close to what I need, but not exactly. I can > forward, reverse, offline, and run status commands using 'mt', but any > attempt to read or write data results in a hard error: > ---- Well, this problem was fixed by cleaning the heads. In the words of the immortal Homer Simpson, "Doh!" -- Christopher L McNabb Tel: 540 231 7554 Operating Systems Analyst Email: cmcnabb(a)vt.edu Virginia Tech ICBM: 37.205622N 80.414595W GMRS: WPSR255 ARS: N2UX Grid Sq: EM97SD

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RE: [pups] Re: PDP11 - RQDX1 standalone format utility? --> XXDP

by Fred N. van Kempen

Erzatz-11 V3.1 runs fine on Win2K and XP, please get that from the site. If you cant reach it, contact me offlist and I will send it to you. --f > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Engdahl [mailto:j.r.engdahl@adelphia.net] > Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 6:16 PM > To: Gregg C Levine; pups(a)minnie.tuhs.org > Subject: Re: [pups] Re: PDP11 - RQDX1 standalone format utility? --> > XXDP > > > I fixed the link. > > E11 is a bit of a problem. I'm running E11 3.0 demo. I have > to run it on a > machine that still has Windows ME. All the other machines run > XP now, and > E11 doesn't seem to work under XP. I tried to get to > www.dbit.com to see if > there's a fix, but the site seems to be gone. > > -- > Jonathan Engdahl > http://users.safeaccess.com/engdahl > > "The things which are seen are temporary, > but the things which are not seen are eternal." II Cor. 4:18 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gregg C Levine" <hansolofalcon(a)worldnet.att.net> > To: "'Jonathan Engdahl'" <j.r.engdahl(a)adelphia.net>; > <pups(a)minnie.tuhs.org> > Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 1:22 AM > Subject: RE: [pups] Re: PDP11 - RQDX1 standalone format > utility? --> XXDP > > > > Hello again from Gregg C Levine > > I've looked at your web pages on the subject of using XXDP to create > > that standalone format utility. And it makes sense. All of it. > > However, there's a broken link on it, regarding XXDP, and where to > > find it. Currently the link which points to the repository > at Ibiblio, > > is correct. Or even the one you're using as they both work. But the > > one that says that the manual, and notes, and the OS, are available > > at, is the broken one. It comes up to a file not found > error message. > > That guy has always had problems with his site, which is > unfortunate. > > It hasn't returned. > > > > However, what are you running E-11 under? And which version? The > > current one prefers a plain DOS environment, or even a Linux > > environment. The older ones, such as the versions stored on the site > > here, will work under DOS/Windows, even Windows 98SE, as > I've proven. > > ------------------- > > Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon(a)worldnet.att.net > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > "The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi > > "Use the Force, Luke." Obi-Wan Kenobi > > (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi ) > > (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda ) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: pups-admin(a)minnie.tuhs.org > [mailto:pups-admin@minnie.tuhs.org] > > On > > > Behalf Of Jonathan Engdahl > > > Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 8:00 PM > > > To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org; pups(a)minnie.tuhs.org > > > Subject: [pups] Re: PDP11 - RQDX1 standalone format utility? --> > > XXDP > > > > > > I documented the procedure to extract a program from XXDP > and put a > > header > > > on it so that you can boot it from VTserver or a UNIX disk. It has > > been a > > > long time since I did this to ZRQCH0, so I practiced on > the program > > that I > > > think Christos needs (ZRQBC1) and sent it to him. > > > > > > There's a lot I don't know about the a.out header, so if > someone can > > improve > > > my method, let me know. > > > > > > http://users.safeaccess.com/engdahl/xxdp.htm#hackXXDP > > > > > > > > > "Teach a man to fish..." > > > > > > -- > > > Jonathan Engdahl > > > http://users.safeaccess.com/engdahl > > > > > > "The things which are seen are temporary, > > > but the things which are not seen are eternal." II Cor. 4:18 > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Christos Papachristou" <chpap(a)ics.forth.gr> > > > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > > > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 4:57 AM > > > Subject: PDP11 - RQDX1 standalone format utility? > > > > > > > > > > I would like to do a bad sector scan on a RD52 connected to a > > RQDX1 > > > > controller (The machine is a pdp11/73 without OS) prior to > > installing > > > > BSD2.11.Is there a standalone program like zrqch0(standalone > > version of > > > > zrqc from the xxdp package - only for RQDX3) that can be > > downloaded > > > > directly to the pdp via vtserver and recognizes the > RQDX1 , i.e. a > > version > > > > of zrqb or something similar? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PUPS mailing list > > > PUPS(a)minnie.tuhs.org > > > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PUPS mailing list > > PUPS(a)minnie.tuhs.org > > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups > > _______________________________________________ > PUPS mailing list > PUPS(a)minnie.tuhs.org > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups >

22 years, 1 month

[pups] 211BSD and TSV05

by Christopher McNabb

I have a TS05 tape drive and TSV05 controller. The TS11 driver for 211BSD seems to be close to what I need, but not exactly. I can forward, reverse, offline, and run status commands using 'mt', but any attempt to read or write data results in a hard error: ---- # ansitape -t ts0: hard error bn0 xs0=310<MOT,ONL,PED> xs1=20402<COR,-,UNC> xs2=100000<OPM> xs3=40<REV> ts0: hard error bn0 xs0=310<MOT,ONL,PED> xs1=20402<COR,-,UNC> xs2=100000<OPM> xs3=40<REV> ts0: hard error bn0 xs0=10310<RLL,MOT,ONL,PED> xs1=20402<COR,-,UNC> xs2=100000<OPM> xs3=40<REV> unknown record mode (n) - file 7 skipped t - 7: 0 lines (0 chars) in 0 tape blocks ---- This continues ad-nauseum until Ctrl-C is pressed. So, it looks like the TS11 driver is "almost, but not quite" good enough. Before I start attempting to re-invent the wheel, has anyone had success getting a TSV05/TS05 working under 2.11BSD? -- Christopher L McNabb Tel: 540 231 7554 Operating Systems Analyst Email: cmcnabb(a)vt.edu Virginia Tech ICBM: 37.205622N 80.414595W GMRS: WPSR255 ARS: N2UX Grid Sq: EM97SD

22 years, 1 month

[pups] 211BSD and TSV05

by Christopher McNabb

I have a TS05 tape drive and TSV05 controller. The TS11 driver for 211BSD seems to be close to what I need, but not exactly. I can forward, reverse, offline, and run status commands using 'mt', but any attempt to read or write data results in a hard error: ---- # ansitape -t ts0: hard error bn0 xs0=310<MOT,ONL,PED> xs1=20402<COR,-,UNC> xs2=100000<OPM> xs3=40<REV> ts0: hard error bn0 xs0=310<MOT,ONL,PED> xs1=20402<COR,-,UNC> xs2=100000<OPM> xs3=40<REV> ts0: hard error bn0 xs0=10310<RLL,MOT,ONL,PED> xs1=20402<COR,-,UNC> xs2=100000<OPM> xs3=40<REV> unknown record mode (n) - file 7 skipped t - 7: 0 lines (0 chars) in 0 tape blocks ---- This continues ad-nauseum until Ctrl-C is pressed. So, it looks like the TS11 driver is "almost, but not quite" good enough. Before I start attempting to re-invent the wheel, has anyone had success getting a TSV05/TS05 working under 2.11BSD? -- Christopher L McNabb Operating Systems Analyst Email: cmcnabb(a)4mcnabb.net Virginia Tech ICBM: 37.1356N 80.4272N GMRS: WPSR255 ARS: N2UX Grid Sq: EM97SD

22 years, 1 month

Re: [TUHS] LoC now involved with saving digital history

by Robertdkeys＠aol.com

Maybe it might be played from the angle that a US mirror could be granted funds in some manner, to complement the down under repository. Just a wild thought... Bob Keys

22 years, 1 month

random(3) definition

by Peter Jeremy

Does anyone here know why the BSD random(3) is defined to return a positive int (31 bits) rather than a full 32 bits of pseudo-entropy? (This came up is a discussion comparing random(3) with arc4random(3) in another list). Peter

22 years, 1 month

RE: [TUHS] LoC now involved with saving digital history

by Ian King

Oops, did that go out in HTML? Sorry, new install of Outlook.... -----Original Message----- From: Ian King Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 7:26 AM To: 'Robertdkeys(a)aol.com'; wgm(a)telus.net; tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org Subject: RE: [TUHS] LoC now involved with saving digital history This sounds similar to some work with which I'm involved at the University of Washington. I'll see what I can learn.... -- Ian -----Original Message----- From: Robertdkeys(a)aol.com [mailto:Robertdkeys@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:42 PM To: wgm(a)telus.net; tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org Subject: Re: [TUHS] LoC now involved with saving digital history As I am reading the details of this, it seems that they are at a planning stage, and wanting to coordinate the Library of Congress centrally with other federal and non-federal agencies and organizations to develop the "network" of libraries and repositories for these materials. It was not clear what funding was available to non-federal agencies. My expectation is that the PUPS and TUHS efforts ought to be somewhere in the overall thicket of the Library of Congress effort. We need to find out more about this legislation and potential work and funding. It sounds very interesting... Spinning the ol' propeller-headed beanie at full speed, and thinking out loud.... Bob Keys _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS(a)minnie.tuhs.org http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs

22 years, 1 month

Tim Shoppa's V6 distribution

by Gregg C Levine

Hello from Gregg C Levine Has anyone ever gotten Tim Shoppa's V6 distribution to work, under any version of Simh? Theoretically it should be possible, but I haven't a clew, as to how to do so. Any suggestions? I'll leave the networking issues alone for the moment. Gregg C Levine drwho8(a)worldnet.att.net "This signature owns a house on Belsavis."

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