TUHS October 2003

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by norman＠nose.cita.utoronto.ca

I've assembled some notes from old manuals and other sources on the formats used for on-disk file systems through the Seventh Edition: http://www.cita.utoronto.ca/~norman/old-unix/old-fs.html Additional notes, comments on style, and whatnot are welcome. (It may be sensible to send anything in the last two categories directly to me, rather than to the whole list.)

2 years, 7 months

While on the subject of 32V ...

by Pat Villani

Folks, I recently copied down the 32V source, and compiled the kernel with gcc. Much to my surprise, most of it compiled. I then split out the machine dependent versus the machine independent files (loose classification :-), and compiled again. Naturally, in both cases, you could not actually build a kernel because there are vax specific .s files, but the individual C files compiled. Not a bad start. As a result, I've been giving serious consideration to porting it to Intel IA32 platforms. It's much simpler than the unix I worked on until last year (Tru64, aka OSF/1 and Digital UNIX), and the 32V kernel is only a little bigger than the original FreeDOS kernel I wrote. The Caldera license is pretty much a BSD license, which could be considered an open source license. This means I should be able to work on it without worrying about IP, although I'd still need management approval. Should I undertake such an project, would there be enough interest to justify the effort? Pat -- You can't build a reputation on what you are going to do. -- Henry Ford

21 years, 1 month

Re: 32V update (was Re: [TUHS] While on the subject of 32V ...)

by Robertdkeys＠aol.com

Or, for something really wierd...., how about porting 32V to the modern VAXen, such as the scsi 3000 or 4000 class machines? x86 is nice, and good to do because of its generic ubiquity, but somehow it ought to roll again on something, VAX, too.....(:+}}... just for usable posterity. How much of a chore would it be to port from say an Ultrix box? The tool chain should be basically intact. Mebbie it is time to dust off our old VAX 3000 M38 crates. There I go thinking out loud...., again..... Bob Keys

21 years, 1 month

Re: [TUHS] Unix > 7?

by Robertdkeys＠aol.com

There exists in one of our listmembers archives the last running V10 UNIX for VAX on I believe MVII or MVIII class machines. The availability of it remains a bit in limbo. But, it would be nice to have that available in the public archives, if I could make the suggestion. I would be of the opinion, also, that it would be nice to have them in the publicly available arena for educational, hobby, or whatever the current nomenclature is, use. Perhaps if that person is listening, the subject might be approachable to whomever controls the legalese mumbo-jumbo. It is a long-shot, but ya never know if ya don't ask.....(:+}}... Bob Keys

21 years, 1 month

Unix > 7?

by Mirian Crzig Lennox

Apologies if this is a FAQ, but is there any prayer of getting 8th, 9th and 10th edition Unix released under some sort of public or educational licence? Now that there are emulators freely available which are capable of running 32V-derived Unix, there would be some practical educational value in having them available; and I for one would be utterly thrilled to be able to see them "in action" (as well as see more of the evolutionary steps from research Unix on to Plan 9). cheers, --Mirian

21 years, 1 month

Re: 32V

by Dennis Ritchie

The HTML rendition of the paper is much improved now, thanks to Naoki Hamada. Incidentally, I also associate the term "deadstart" with CDC/Cray. Maybe London or Reiser had previous association with that world. On the other hand, in really early Unix, the "cold boot" paper tape recreated everything on the disk. Really cold, just like the "operating system conversion" section of L&R, or for that matter the corresponding section of the one by me and Johnson about the Interdata work. Dennis

21 years, 1 month

Deadstart (was Re: 32V)

by John Holden

Markus Weber wrote:- > Didn't CDC's NOS use the term "deadstart"? Yes, and some of their machines has 'deadstart panels'. A set of 12 x 12 switches that were the bootstrap for peripherial processor zero (12 bit data/instruction). I think the CDC6600 had 12X12, but some of the latter machines (Cybers) had up to 20x12

21 years, 1 month

NCR Tower650, UNIX Sys. V Rel.3 on a 68020 :)

by asbesto

Hi, in our free lab in catania we have one of these box, you can see it here: http://www.freaknet.org/history/freakalbum/freak_hardware/tn/dcp02097.jpg.h… we only have this computer, and no manuals, no tapes, no floppy disks, nothing. We made a raw "dd" backup of the whole hard disk, that have some bad tracks :( so, we are wondering if someone here can help us finding information about this machine: PDF manuals, info, tape images, operating system disks, or whatever useful for our computer museum :))) p.s a look at http://www.freaknet.org/history/freakalbum/freak_hardware/ to have a little, poor idea about other machines we have, including the PDP11/34 with the broken chip problem in the RL01 controller board :((( p.s.2. yes, we have printed schematics of PDP11/34. we are organizing to scan all the schemes, maybe this can be useful for someone. Sorry if i'm not so present in this list, but i read it every day, it's a fantastic list. thanks to all :) -- [asbesto : freaknet medialab : radio#cybernet : GPG key on keyservers] [ MAIL ATTACH, SPAM, HTML, WORD, and msgs larger than 95K > /dev/null ] [http://www.freaknet.org/asbesto IW9HGS http://kyuzz.org/radiocybernet]

21 years, 1 month

AW: [pups] 2.11BSD ftp to moe.2bsd.com

by Mario Premke

Thanks, those are the patch kits, Mario. You grab a system, then patch it up to 'current' with those patches. I expected something like that - any idea where to grab a system? Every now and then, a kind sould releases a fully 'current' system. Are there any old <fully 'current' systems> around? Has anybody tried to run it on an emulator? mario > -----Original Message----- > From: Mario Premke [mailto:premke@ess-wowi.de] > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 1:43 PM > To: pups(a)minnie.tuhs.org > Subject: [pups] 2.11BSD ftp to moe.2bsd.com > > > Hello list, > there is the 2.11 BSD on moe.2bsd.com. I wonder why there aren't any > filenames but only numbers instead. Is there somewhere a > tar-archive of > 2.11BSD on the net? > Thanks > Mario > > _______________________________________________ > PUPS mailing list > PUPS(a)minnie.tuhs.org > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups >

21 years, 1 month

Re: 32V

by Dennis Ritchie

The London/Reiser internal memo about experiences in porting Unix to the VAX emerged from the company archives, and I scanned and OCRed it: it's underneath http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/portpapers.html As the page cautions, the HTML is missing some stuff, but the PS and PDF are reasonably good. I also have the big pre-OCR PDF image scan if anyone wants to check details. Dennis

21 years, 1 month

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