You could also run Unix v6, if you're of a historical bent; 2.9BSD
should run with no problems; and possibly v7, if you have the 22-bit
address bus and enough RAM. Keep in mind that if there isn't a
distribution for your machine, you can build one on an emulator, then
create a disk image. However, with v6 I ran the 11/40 image on an 11/34
and was able to rebuild for my hardware.
Warren wrote a neat tool to get bits onto a machine over a serial line;
it takes a while (at 9600 baud!), but it works. Look on the PUPS site
under VTserver; don't worry that there probably isn't an installation
package for a given version or machine, there's a way to run a small
client on a PC that can talk to a bootstrap on the target machine. --
Ian
DISCLAIMER: Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain - or to my
email address. These rantings are my personal statements, and not a
product of my employer.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Gunshannon [mailto:bill@cs.scranton.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 11:17 AM
To: Unix_Preservation_List
Subject: Re: [pups] Unix on a PDP-11/24
On 13 Aug 2002, Christopher McNabb wrote:
> I've acquired a PDP-11/24 with 2 RL02s and a RA80. What are my
> options for running Unix?
>
Ultrix-11 if you can get a 9-track tape drive. :-)
bill
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> I've acquired a PDP-11/24 with 2 RL02s and a RA80. What are
> my options for running Unix?
Either a small system like V7, or Ultrix-11.
And no, you don't need a tape drive... as long as you have a PC
around, and the PDP-11 has a serial port, you can use my VTserver
package to install Ultrix over the console port.
Cheers,
Fred
I've acquired a PDP-11/24 with 2 RL02s and a RA80. What are my options
for running Unix?
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On 08/10/2002 04:54:16 PM MST Al Kossow wrote:
>
>> I see there no version for the Z8000 but for the 16032. Was there
>> really a Z8000 version?
>
>http://www.lcs.mit.edu/about/architects.html
>
>"Fortunately for Ward, by 1980 the community of computer researchers
>had grown from a few labs to a few dozen---and for the most part, the
>research community was moving in one particular direction: UNIX, the
>castrated Multics operating system that had been spawned from Bell
>Labs. UNIX was loved because it was small and portable, which meant
>that it would be easy for Ward to get the operating system running on
>the NuMachine. The group got the UNIX source code from Bell Labs and
>ported the operating system to three different microprocessors: the
>Zilog Z8000, the Intel 8086, and the Motorola 68000. Although it
>would not be clear for several years, by building a single-user
>computer with a bitmapped display, a network interface, and a
>powerful microprocessor, Ward's group had just created one of the
>world's first UNIX workstations.
>"
Hmm, but where is it? :-)
regards,
chris
> I see there no version for the Z8000 but for the 16032. Was there
> really a Z8000 version?
http://www.lcs.mit.edu/about/architects.html
"Fortunately for Ward, by 1980 the community of computer researchers had grown from a few labs to a few dozen---and for the most part, the research community was moving in one particular direction: UNIX, the castrated Multics operating system that had been spawned from Bell Labs. UNIX was loved because it was small and portable, which meant that it would be easy for Ward to get the operating system running on the NuMachine. The group got the UNIX source code from Bell Labs and ported the operating system to three different microprocessors: the Zilog Z8000, the Intel 8086, and the Motorola 68000. Although it would not be clear for several years, by building a single-user computer with a bitmapped display, a network interface, and a powerful microprocessor, Ward's group had just created one of the world's first UNIX workstations.
"
On 08/10/2002 10:09:54 AM ZE10 Warren Toomey wrote:
>
>In article by M E Leypold @ labnet:
>> Al Kossow writes:
>> > There were ports of PCC to the 8086, Z8000, and 68000 done by
>> > MIT's Laboratory for Computer Science. This might be a more
>> > historically correct place to start.
>> I alway wondered, wether the source of these ports is available
>> somewhere. I bet it isn't.
>> Regards -- Markus
>
>Al has sent in the PCC ports mentioned to the Unix Archive. They are
>now available on the primary site at both:
>
> http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Applications/Portable_CC/
> ftp://minnie.tuhs.org/UnixArchive/Applications/Portable_CC/
I see there no version for the Z8000 but for the 16032. Was there
really a Z8000 version?
regards,
chris
There were ports of PCC to the 8086, Z8000, and 68000 done by
MIT's Laboratory for Computer Science. This might be a more
historically correct place to start.
Hi,
> Has anyone done anything to try and get 2.11BSD working
> on non-separate I&D PDP-11s?
>
> One of the various READMEs I ran across said it might be possible
> with some creative memory layouts using overlays.
>
> I briefly searched the PUPS mail archives but turned up
> nothing.
No way. It already relies heavily on overlays to get things
done. Even without the networking code (which requires I&D,
*and* Supervisor mode), there is pretty much no way to get it
to fit (even a small system) within a 64K space.
If you really need a UNIX that (slowly ;-) fits in the nonID
space, ytu Ultrix-11. That fits, although its very slow on such
machines.
Cheers,
Fred
Hi folks,
Forgive me in case this question has been asked before..
Has anyone done anything to try and get 2.11BSD working
on non-separate I&D PDP-11s?
One of the various READMEs I ran across said it might be possible
with some creative memory layouts using overlays.
I briefly searched the PUPS mail archives but turned up
nothing.
Thanks,
-- Michael
lion(a)apocalypse.org
Hi Steve,
Long time no chat. Can't get through to your email on moe so can you
amend my email address for patch distributions to
robinb(a)ruffnready.co.uk. Attempting to stem the tide of spam :-(
Cheers
Robin
