Perhaps some of the learned people on this list can help this chappie
out? The ACMS is the Australian Computer Museum Society, and could in
turn be a valuable resource for this list; note that he signs himself
as a "PDP-11 Support Consultant"...
Replies to him, please, unless deemed of interest to the list.
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Geac Computers P/L (FGH Division) 2/57 Christie St, St Leonards 2065, Australia
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 12:53:26
From: John G E R E M I N <megajohn(a)sneaker.net.au>
To: ACS NSW List <acsnsw-l(a)onelist.com>
Subject: ACMS, Questions on Internet History.
Greetings All, (from a Netscape v3, Eudora and Win-3.11 system),
The ACMS has been asked about the History Of The Internet In Australia.
This assumes that the 'Internet' is defined as using IP protocols,
and the World-Wide-Web that provided permanent (or semi-permanent)
connections between major nodes and the end-users.
We also know that DEC had world-wide DECNET for its corporate use.
We know that U**X systems had FTP, TELNET etc available on systems
using fixed line connections (eg within Unis, etc).
We know about the ArpaNet origins (we hope)
We know? that the first Internet users here were the CSIRO and Unis.
But were they connected initially to the overseas Internet ?
So some questions, designed to sort out some confusions.
First hand experiences would be good as would pointers to documentation.
Note - all these relate to Australia (but answers may include
info relating to overseas contexts).
a1 First use of Fido-Net or other BBS using Dial-up messaging ?
a2 First use of E-MAIL via FidoNet or other BBS ?
a3 First use of FreeWare/File Distribution via FidoNet or other BBS ?
a4 First use of Message/Conference Areas/Groups on BBS ?
b1 First use of permanent IP addresses ?
b2 First use of E-MAIL via IP addresses ?
b3 First use of File Transfers via Internet ?
b4 First use of NewsGroups via Internet ?
b5 First use of Graphical Displays via Internet ?
b6 First use of 'http://www' type URL addressing via Internet ?
b7 First use of two-way (interactive) audio via Internet ?
b8 First use of two-way (intereactive) video via Internet ?
c1 Any other major Internet milestones in the Australian environment ?
Many thanks, John G. (PS you don't need to answer all questions!)
John GEREMIN, megajohn(a)sneaker.net.au Ph. 02-9764 4855
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
PDP-11 Support Consultant, MEGATRONICS, Australia.
http://www.posit.com.au/megatronics/ NEW Mob. => 0427 10 20 60 <=
Hon. Treasurer, Australian COMPUTER MUSEUM Society Inc.
http://www.terrigal.net.au/~acms/ Fax: 02-9764 4679
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At 04:39 PM 5/22/00 +1000, Dave Horsfall wrote:
> a1 First use of Fido-Net or other BBS using Dial-up messaging ?
> a2 First use of E-MAIL via FidoNet or other BBS ?
> a3 First use of FreeWare/File Distribution via FidoNet or other BBS ?
Tom Jennings, the creator of FidoNet, is still available at
<tomj(a)wps.com> and there's a history at
http://wps.com/FidoNet/source/Fido-FidoNet/fhist.html.
Tom is now moderating the Dead Media Project at
http://wps.com/dead-media/index.html.
But by no means was FidoNet the first BBS.
- John
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While investigating building a Ultrix V3.1 tape I discovered that the file
on the archive is corrupt.
Distributions/dec/Ultrix-3.1/ultrix-3.1-bootape.tar.gz
File 34: The ULTRIX-11 /usr file system in dump/restor format
Zane
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Wilko Bulte sent that in to the PUPS Archive. Wilko, do you still have the
tape. Can you try to read it again?!
Cheers,
Warren
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On Sun, May 21, 2000 at 04:10:21PM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
Warren,
When I untar the .tgz I get files named tapeblock[0-33]
In tapeblock4 is an index of the original tape, which lists the
various files on the tape. These are numbered *1* til *34*
I think this is just an off by one thing, because there is no tapeblock34
at all.
Please check if this is the case. I don't have any PDP operational so I
cannot verify the contents of tapeblock33. But I'm pretty sure this is /usr
W/
> ----- Forwarded message from Zane H. Healy -----
>
> From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com>
>
> While investigating building a Ultrix V3.1 tape I discovered that the file
> on the archive is corrupt.
>
> Distributions/dec/Ultrix-3.1/ultrix-3.1-bootape.tar.gz
>
> File 34: The ULTRIX-11 /usr file system in dump/restor format
>
> Zane
> ----- End of forwarded message from Zane H. Healy -----
>
> Wilko Bulte sent that in to the PUPS Archive. Wilko, do you still have the
> tape. Can you try to read it again?!
>
> Cheers,
> Warren
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In article by Frank Wortner:
> I just signed up for my free(!) SCO Ancient Unix license. It's great fun
> to be able to explore again the code I first saw and worked on as a
> student all too many years ago. It seems only right to thank those who
> gave me access to this resource.
> Frank Wortner
I'd like to add some thanks to Frank's list.
Thanks to those people who forked out their US$100 for the paper SCO license.
It's a shame you can't get a refund. At least you have a real, signed,
license that you can wave at your friends :-)
Our first contact at SCO, Dion Johnson, fought with bureacracy and the legal
naysayers to get us the first SCO license. Thanks, Dion!
We have a lot of PUPS Volunteers behind the scenes who have been burning CDs
and other media in the past 2-3 years. With the free license, they're going
to get much busier, but are still volunteers. Everybody who has received a
CD should congratulate these people. Soren Jorvang in particular deserves
thanks.
Hint: if you have a CD burner, YOUR HELP IS URGENTLY REQUIRED. Email me!
Finally, the bulk of the files in the archive were donated by a few people:
Dennis Ritchie, Henry Spencer, Keith Bostic, Tim Shoppa, Steven Schultz
and Kirk McKusick are the most notable. Thanks to all those who have
donated old files and information to the archive!
Some quick stats: 100+ people have obtained for PUPS Archive access in the
last 24 hours. Web activity was 1.2G, compared to a usual 36M, in the last
24 hours. Haven't checked ftp yet. Not bad for a 486! I'm switching over to
the Celeron today, so expect a few hours of downtime and a few glitches.
Cheers,
Warren
All,
Access to The PUPS Archive can now be obtained with no human
intervention. Go to http://www.sco.com/offers/ancient.html, agree to the
SCO license. On the next page, click on `apply for access to the PUPS Archive'.
Fill in your full name and e-mail address, and you will be given immediate
access to the archive.
I'm arranging for at least one mirror of the PUPS Archive in the USA.
More would be welcome :-) Let me know if you can help!
At present, the PUPS Archive can be accessed by FTP, HTTP and rsync.
No more paper licenses, no more 6 week wait, yayy!!!
Cheers,
Warren
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I just signed up for my free(!) SCO Ancient Unix license. It's great fun
to be able to explore again the code I first saw and worked on as a
student all too many years ago. It seems only right to thank those who
gave me access to this resource.
Thank you, Warren, for your work in convincing SCO to make this
possible. Also thanks for the archives, the mailing list, the idea,
and everything else.
Thank you, SCO, for seeing the historic value of the code and generously
making it available to enthusiasts. SCO's attitude towards this legacy is
extremely rare amoung corporations, and they deserve our gratitude.
Thanks also to everyone who contributed material to the PUPS archive.
In the face of such generousity I'm sorry I don't have (or think I don't
have) any material left from the PDP-11 era to add to the collection.
And now, back to wallowing in PDP-11 nostalgia. :-)
Frank Wortner
I created a page to reflect the progress of the PDP-11 support in
GNU binutils:
http://pdp11.nocrew.org/
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In article by lars brinkhoff:
> I created a page to reflect the progress of the PDP-11 support in
> GNU binutils:
> http://pdp11.nocrew.org/
Thanks Lars. Now that Minix is freely available, some of the applications
there could be easily ported over to the PDP-11.
Ciao,
Warren
Hey,
You may have seen it already, but I haven't seen an announcement on the
PUPS list -
SCO has got Unix 5th, 6th and 7th Editions, Mini Unix, System III and 32V
available on their site for download. You can access them by going to
www.sco.com/offers/ancient.html and accepting the license.
Congratulations PUPS, this is a milestone.
Efton
[ apologies to those who get this twice ]
Hi all, I just thought I'd let you know that there will be some changes
with the PUPS Archive and the web site coming along soon.
As you know, SCO has dropped their Ancient UNIX license to $0.00. In a
matter of days, they will provide a web form on their web site so that
you can agree to the license. After you have done this, you will be
able to obtain 5th-7th Edition UNIX, 32V, Mini UNIX and PDP-11 System III
from their web site.
I am hoping that you will also be able to click through to a CGI script
on the PUPS web site, where you can put in your full name and e-mail
address, and you will be granted access to the larger PUPS Archive. I
need to collect name/e-mail addresses, so that later if you ask for a copy
of the Archive on CD or other media, we can verify that you have agreed
to the new SCO license.
I am modifying the PUPS Archive so that it will be accessible via both
FTP and HTTP. The access mechanism will also allow mirrors of the Archive
to be set up. SO: if you have a good 24-hr/day network connection and
about 1G of disk space available, I would be most grateful if you could
set up a mirror of the PUPS Archive.
The mechanism to request PUPS on CD has been streamlined, but it still
depends on volunteers to help out with the copying. If you can volunteer
to do this as well, we would be most grateful. We will be even more
grateful once the free SCO license gets Slashdotted :-)
One thing I definitely need to do is to tidy up and/or reorganise the
PUPS web site at http://minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au/PUPS. I'll try to do this
over the next 6-8 weeks. Any suggestions or comments are welcome!
The PUPS Archive itself needs some attention. For example, some of the
systems like PWB, 32V and System III are either incomplete or haven't
been fuly extracted into a portable format like tar. I would welcome any
offers to help curate & fix up the archive.
When this _does_ get slashdotted, and it will, the first thing people
will want to do is either view the old source, or bring up the old
versions. Is there a volunteer who would like to bring the disk
images in Boot_Images up to date, and provide better instructions so
that a PDP-newbie can boot V5, V6, V7, 2.11BSD on the common emulators
such as Ersatz, Supnik, Begemot etc.
And finally, the machine running the PUPS Archive, minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au,
will be replaced in the next week or two. Currently, minnie is a 486DX100,
and I have a Celeron 400 with FreeBSD 4.0 installed as her replacement.
There will be some broken functionality after I switch over, knowing Murphy's
Law. Please e-mail me with details if you spot something that isn't right.
That's about it. There's a lot to do. I'd love some help :-)
Cheers!
Warren
Looks like we've got a spurt of email in the PUPS mailing list. For those
unaccustomed to this, you might prefer to switch over to the digest version
which comes out at most twice a week. To do this, send mail to
majordomo(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au with these lines in the email body:
unsubscribe pups
subscribe pups-digest
Cheers,
Warren
> > You can find T11 chips in several Q-bus and Unibus peripherals, most notably
> > the RQDX1, 2, and 3 (the chip labeled "27-17311-01").
>
> What cpu is in the DEUNA and DEQNA? I think those also have a T11.
I thought DEUNA was 68k and DEQNA is definatly state machines and random
logic no t11. DELQA is 68k.
> > and the same set was used (with different microcode) by other CPU makers.
> > In particular, the Alpha Micro two-board S-100 set.
>
> And I think DEC even supported the possibility of writing your own
> microcode for this one.
Yes there was a WCS that filled the FIS microm spot (and a full board
under it).
Allison
