Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> writes:
> I wanted to avoid the word `preservation', as people like Steven,
> Michael and others are still maintaining, using and developing these
> systems.
Yes!
However, later you write:
> My next suggestion is
> /The UNIX Heritage Society/i
Nee, see below.
David C. Jenner <djenner(a)halcyon.com> writes:
> If this is the case, the "Preservation" part of PUPS is OK, since
> what we are trying to do is preserve the use of this strain of
> system software.
No, no, PLEASE get rid of that "preservation" stigma. It's like a brand
on a slave, a constant reminder of limits and constraints. Terms like
"preservation", "historical", "heritage", "primordial", "ancient", etc. all
suggest something of purely historical value. This is EXTREMELY insulting
to those of us for whom True UNIX(R) is the ONLY multiuser operating
system.
> Primordial Unix Preservation Society.
Same problem. Why not Proper UNIX(R) Patriot Society?
> (I really don't want to change my "pups" email alias!)
I agree. Hence my suggestion above.
Sincerely,
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> Hmm, I don't like the all-caps UNIX, looks ugly. This is probably a taste
> thing.
It is absolutely crucial, since it emphasizes that we are talking about
the one single system named UNIX, rather than any of its teenage "free"
clones.
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> While I disagree with Michael's idea of total world domination by Vaxen
> :-), I believe such a society will be composed of a multitude of
> different beliefs, ideas, sub-goals and drives. So please bear this in
> mind when mailing to the mailing list!!!
Oh, I'm not saying that VAXen should dominate the mailing list or the
society, I'm simply saying that my project is to turn them from
"retrocomputing" into a fully competitive UNIX platform.
> My main sub-goal is to provide a home for the PDP-11 stuff. I don't yet
> have the disk space for all the other Unix platforms.
Keep in mind, though, that the UNIX(R) mainstream is PDP-11 _AND_ VAX.
> Hmm. Looks like we need a larger umbrella group which caters for the
> preservation, use and development of all Unix varieties past and present.
> I nominate the name The Unix Society
and
> Comments on the suggestion of `The Unix Society' as a name? I'm avoiding
> using UNIX as it's a trademark, and it's an adjective.
I personally think it's a very bad idea to extend the society to cover
freebies. Let's keep it limited to software that requires an SCO or
equivalent license. Why? Because otherwise it loses its identity. You can't
cover all UNIX and "Unix" in the world. Huge organizations like USENIX
already exist for this purpose. I believe the purpose of the society should
be to provide a home for the homeless. Here is what I mean by that. People
using "free Unices" already have scores of mailing lists and newsgroups
available to them. The only ones who are always left out are the poor
patriots of True Licensed UNIX(R). So far PUPS has been the only possible
home for them.
Why not have a Proper UNIX(R) Patriot Society which will do the same
thing PUPS does now (provide a central clearinghouse for all licensed
UNIX(R), keep the central database of SCO license holders, discuss
licensing issues), but without restricting it to PDP-11s or to mere
preservation? I don't think we need a huge society with chapters and
subchapters to cover every possible use of every possible OS. People who
want to use a particular OS in a particular way should have their own
mailing lists to discuss really specific issues like hardware, etc. That's
what I will do for 4.3BSD-Quasijarus when it actually sees the light of
day. (For now it has a closed consortium. My experience has been that in
such early stages of development keeping discussions on a public list leads
to nothing except accusations of "vaporware" and flame wars.) PUPS should
be a central clearinghouse for licensed UNIX(R), nothing more. Its scope
should be exactly equal to the scope of the SCO license.
Just my two bits.
Sincerely,
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I think he has a point here:
Restrict it to whatever the Ancient Unix license from SCO
(and any equivalent licenses yet to emerge) covers. In fact,
an objective could be to try to ADD more systems from vendors
(like Venix, even Xenix) who required the AT&T license.
If this is the case, the "Preservation" part of PUPS is OK, since
what we are trying to do is preserve the use of this strain of
system software.
As to the first P, if not PDP(-11), then what it should refer to
is the original strain of Unix--the Primordial Unix. Hence:
Primordial Unix Preservation Society.
(I really don't want to change my "pups" email alias!)
Dave
Michael Sokolov wrote:
>
> Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> wrote:
> > While I disagree with Michael's idea of total world domination by Vaxen
> > :-), I believe such a society will be composed of a multitude of
> > different beliefs, ideas, sub-goals and drives. So please bear this in
> > mind when mailing to the mailing list!!!
>
> Oh, I'm not saying that VAXen should dominate the mailing list or the
> society, I'm simply saying that my project is to turn them from
> "retrocomputing" into a fully competitive UNIX platform.
>
> > My main sub-goal is to provide a home for the PDP-11 stuff. I don't yet
> > have the disk space for all the other Unix platforms.
>
> Keep in mind, though, that the UNIX(R) mainstream is PDP-11 _AND_ VAX.
>
> > Hmm. Looks like we need a larger umbrella group which caters for the
> > preservation, use and development of all Unix varieties past and present.
> > I nominate the name The Unix Society
>
> and
>
> > Comments on the suggestion of `The Unix Society' as a name? I'm avoiding
> > using UNIX as it's a trademark, and it's an adjective.
>
> I personally think it's a very bad idea to extend the society to cover
> freebies. Let's keep it limited to software that requires an SCO or
> equivalent license. Why? Because otherwise it loses its identity. You can't
> cover all UNIX and "Unix" in the world. Huge organizations like USENIX
> already exist for this purpose. I believe the purpose of the society should
> be to provide a home for the homeless. Here is what I mean by that. People
> using "free Unices" already have scores of mailing lists and newsgroups
> available to them. The only ones who are always left out are the poor
> patriots of True Licensed UNIX(R). So far PUPS has been the only possible
> home for them.
>
> Why not have a Proper UNIX(R) Patriot Society which will do the same
> thing PUPS does now (provide a central clearinghouse for all licensed
> UNIX(R), keep the central database of SCO license holders, discuss
> licensing issues), but without restricting it to PDP-11s or to mere
> preservation? I don't think we need a huge society with chapters and
> subchapters to cover every possible use of every possible OS. People who
> want to use a particular OS in a particular way should have their own
> mailing lists to discuss really specific issues like hardware, etc. That's
> what I will do for 4.3BSD-Quasijarus when it actually sees the light of
> day. (For now it has a closed consortium. My experience has been that in
> such early stages of development keeping discussions on a public list leads
> to nothing except accusations of "vaporware" and flame wars.) PUPS should
> be a central clearinghouse for licensed UNIX(R), nothing more. Its scope
> should be exactly equal to the scope of the SCO license.
>
> Just my two bits.
>
> Sincerely,
> Michael Sokolov
> Phone: 216-368-6888 (Office) 440-449-0299 (Home) 216-217-2579 (Cellular)
> ARPA Internet SMTP mail: msokolov(a)blackwidow.CWRU.Edu
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On Sunday, 2 August 1998 at 18:28:56 -0700, David C. Jenner wrote:
> I think he has a point here:
>
> Restrict it to whatever the Ancient Unix license from SCO
> (and any equivalent licenses yet to emerge) covers. In fact,
> an objective could be to try to ADD more systems from vendors
> (like Venix, even Xenix) who required the AT&T license.
That's rather conservative, isn't it? If we had done that previously,
there would never now have been an SCO licence for 16 bit UNIX. If we
do it now, there will never be a license for 32 bit UNIX.
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In article by Greg Lehey:
> On Sunday, 2 August 1998 at 18:28:56 -0700, David C. Jenner wrote:
> > I think he has a point here:
> >
> > Restrict it to whatever the Ancient Unix license from SCO
> > (and any equivalent licenses yet to emerge) covers. In fact,
> > an objective could be to try to ADD more systems from vendors
> > (like Venix, even Xenix) who required the AT&T license.
>
> That's rather conservative, isn't it? If we had done that previously,
> there would never now have been an SCO licence for 16 bit UNIX. If we
> do it now, there will never be a license for 32 bit UNIX.
Keep it to systems which require a UNIX source license, then?
Warren
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In article by Warren Toomey:
> Keep it to systems which require a UNIX source license, then?
And lobby SCO for more encompassing cheap UNIX source licenses too.
I forgot to add this sentence.
Warren
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On Mon, Aug 03, 1998 at 09:24:52AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote:
> On Monday, 3 August 1998 at 9:35:17 +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
> > In article by Greg Lehey:
> >>> Hmm. Looks like we need a larger umbrella group which caters for the
> >>> preservation, use and development of all Unix varieties past and present.
> >>> I nominate the name The Unix Society ...
> >>> Comments on the suggestion of `The Unix Society' as a name? I'm avoiding
> >>> using UNIX as it's a trademark, and it's an adjective.
> >>
> >> I find the spelling "Unix" looks like the kind of mistake that
> >> people make when they're not aware of these niceties, so I'd prefer
> >> not to use it.
> >>
> >> More generally, though, there's nothing in the name that suggests
> >> anything to do with the history of the system. For all it says to the
> >> outside world, it's a new competitor to USENIX.
> >
> > Hmm, I don't like the all-caps UNIX, looks ugly. This is probably a taste
> > thing. I wanted to avoid the word `preservation', as people like Steven,
> > Michael and others are still maintaining, using and developing these systems.
> >
> > We need a sub-committee to come up with a new name :-) My next suggestion is
> > /The UNIX Heritage Society/i
>
> Sounds a lot better. Time for some other comments, when the rest of
> the world wakes up.
Awake! I fully agree with all of Greg's statements. Btw. the original way of
writing UNIX was actually unix. Small caps. Of course, using troff you could
take advantage of scaling fonts and say \s-2UNIX\s+2. I'm not sure about the
feeling of dmr and colleagues with respect to UNIX, but I remember him having
a heavy disrespect for STREAMS as compared to streams. The thing is that with
email when saying STREAMS you actually shout, which non of us intend to.
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I don't think I'm saying what you think I said? I not trying to
restrict it to nothing, or even not 32-bit.
But then it's Sunday night here, and Monday morning there, so maybe
I'm not clear about what I said!?
Dave
Greg Lehey wrote:
>
> On Sunday, 2 August 1998 at 18:28:56 -0700, David C. Jenner wrote:
> > I think he has a point here:
> >
> > Restrict it to whatever the Ancient Unix license from SCO
> > (and any equivalent licenses yet to emerge) covers. In fact,
> > an objective could be to try to ADD more systems from vendors
> > (like Venix, even Xenix) who required the AT&T license.
>
> That's rather conservative, isn't it? If we had done that previously,
> there would never now have been an SCO licence for 16 bit UNIX. If we
> do it now, there will never be a license for 32 bit UNIX.
>
> Greg
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On Sunday, 2 August 1998 at 19:41:58 -0700, David C. Jenner wrote:
> I don't think I'm saying what you think I said? I not trying to
> restrict it to nothing, or even not 32-bit.
>
> But then it's Sunday night here, and Monday morning there, so maybe
> I'm not clear about what I said!?
>
> Greg Lehey wrote:
>>
>> On Sunday, 2 August 1998 at 18:28:56 -0700, David C. Jenner wrote:
>>> I think he has a point here:
>>>
>>> Restrict it to whatever the Ancient Unix license from SCO
>>> (and any equivalent licenses yet to emerge) covers. In fact,
>>> an objective could be to try to ADD more systems from vendors
>>> (like Venix, even Xenix) who required the AT&T license.
OK. The current SCO license is limited specifically to 16 bis
systems. We'd like to get, say, System V as well.
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In article by Greg Lehey:
> OK. The current SCO license is limited specifically to 16 bit
> systems. We'd like to get, say, System V as well.
>
> Greg
After negotiating with SCO, I can safely say that they won't make System V
cheaply available for any system, yet. Heck, they wouldn't even let us have
the crippled System V for the PDP-11.
You might be lucky to get System III added to the source license, and separate
binary-only licenses for certain System V systems. That's another battle, tho.
Warren
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On Monday, 3 August 1998 at 12:51:22 +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
> In article by Greg Lehey:
>> OK. The current SCO license is limited specifically to 16 bit
>> systems. We'd like to get, say, System V as well.
>
> After negotiating with SCO, I can safely say that they won't make System V
> cheaply available for any system, yet. Heck, they wouldn't even let us have
> the crippled System V for the PDP-11.
Yet. What did the situation look like for the Seventh Edition 5 years
ago?
> You might be lucky to get System III added to the source license,
> and separate binary-only licenses for certain System V
> systems. That's another battle, tho.
Sure. I was just saying we shouldn't accept the status quo, not that
we should go tilting at windmills.
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"User Rdkeys Robert D. Keys" <rdkeys(a)seedlab1.cropsci.ncsu.edu> wrote:
> What should one look for in a VAX?
>
> Say I was walking along through our state surplus agency (and I do that
> regularly these days, since all kinds of neato unicy goodies are popping
> up from a lot of folks going to NT toys), what kind of parts and pieces
> would I need to put together a minimal VAX, suited to some flavor of
> homegrown 32V/3BSD/4BSD, etc.
> [...]
> So, what parts by name and number should I keep an eye out for, so
> that enough of something might be cobbled together to work?
Basically, you need a box that says "VAX" on it. :-) Now, there are all
kinds of different VAXen. If you want one that's capable of running
something other than VMS, you have to be really careful. 32V, 3BSD, and
4.0BSD run on the original VAX-11/780 ONLY. There is a VERY low probability
of you (or me) ever finding one. 4.1BSD and 4.2BSD extend this to 11/750
and 11/730, respectively, but these are still very big and scarce beasts.
If you are a REAL VAX patriot (one for whom VAXen are the ONLY computers),
none of this should matter to you anyway, since versions of UNIX before
4.3BSD are unfit for production use on ARPA Internet (the ones before
4.2BSD lack any networking whatsoever, and 4.2BSD lacks DNS).
If your OS of choice is 4.3BSD, 4.3BSD-Tahoe, or 4.3BSD-Reno, you are in
a much better shape. All of them have kernel support for MicroVAX II, and
Reno (and possibly Tahoe) has support for MicroVAX III. It's still very
rudimentary, though. I personally haven't been able to get it booted yet!
Seeing how much work remains to be done to get Berkeley UNIX running on
MicroVAXen, I have decided to take a crack at it myself. I am actively
working on extending the VAX hardware support in 4.3BSD to MicroVAXen and
everything else not currently supported. My goal is to support everything
from 11/780 to 10000. Total world VAX domination!
This is very long-term, though, and you probably want something sooner.
When I was faced with a pressing need to get one of my VAXen up and running
in May, my solution was (and still is) to run Ultrix. True, not having the
sources is VERY frustrating, and some DECisms like subsets, setld,
BIND/Hesiod, etc. really piss me off, but presently this is the closest you
can get to True VAX UNIX(R) that runs on something you or I can get our
hands on. (A note for those who subscribe both to this list and to
port-vax(a)netbsd.org. PLEASE don't advertise your freebie toy here.
Fortunately, this list is for LICENSED UNIX(R).)
If you want to assemble your VAX from parts, first realize that some of
them (BabyVAXen in my terminology) consist of a single system board. On the
other end of the spectrum there are huge beasts. Although they do consist
of a myriad of boards, they are so specialized that you are very unlikely
to ever find a board for one laying separately. The only VAXen that one can
realistically build from parts are Q-bus ones. To build one, you need a Q-
bus enclosure with a Q22-bus backplane, a Q-bus VAX CPU (KA6xx), and,
unless your CPU has on-board Ethernet and DSSI, Q-bus disk and tape
controllers and a Q-bus Ethernet interface (DEQNA or DELQA). Of course, you
also need the disk and tape drives themselves.
Good luck!
Sincerely,
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Hmm. Looks like we need a larger umbrella group which caters for the
preservation, use and development of all Unix varieties past and present.
I nominate the name The Unix Society
Such a society could have chapters which focus on particular things like
Vax Unixes, PDP-11 Unixes etc., but share common high-level goals.
While I disagree with Michael's idea of total world domination by Vaxen :-),
I believe such a society will be composed of a multitude of different beliefs,
ideas, sub-goals and drives. So please bear this in mind when mailing to the
mailing list!!!
My main sub-goal is to provide a home for the PDP-11 stuff. I don't yet
have the disk space for all the other Unix platforms. Mail yesterday from
Kirk McKusick says that the 4-CD BSD set should be ready within a matter of
days.
Comments on the suggestion of `The Unix Society' as a name? I'm avoiding
using UNIX as it's a trademark, and it's an adjective.
Warren
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* User Rdkeys Robert D Keys wrote:
> What should one look for in a VAX?
At least over here, the vax that `everyone' had was an 11/750, which
is one reasonably-sized-but-very-heavy cabinet, with the CPU &c, and
usually tape & disk in one or more other boxes. These things run 4.2
& 4.3 (and earlier I'm sure), and are a bit more tractable than the
11/780 (but slower). I'd guess that these things should be still
available in large numbers, but maybe they've all been scrapped by
now. There are many faster & smaller ones, but I always figured that
the 750 & 780 were the most proper vaxen...
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On Sunday, 2 August 1998 at 21:18:34 +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
> Hmm. Looks like we need a larger umbrella group which caters for the
> preservation, use and development of all Unix varieties past and present.
> I nominate the name The Unix Society
>
> Such a society could have chapters which focus on particular things like
> Vax Unixes, PDP-11 Unixes etc., but share common high-level goals.
>
> While I disagree with Michael's idea of total world domination by Vaxen :-),
> I believe such a society will be composed of a multitude of different beliefs,
> ideas, sub-goals and drives. So please bear this in mind when mailing to the
> mailing list!!!
>
> My main sub-goal is to provide a home for the PDP-11 stuff. I don't yet
> have the disk space for all the other Unix platforms. Mail yesterday from
> Kirk McKusick says that the 4-CD BSD set should be ready within a matter of
> days.
>
> Comments on the suggestion of `The Unix Society' as a name? I'm avoiding
> using UNIX as it's a trademark, and it's an adjective.
I don't see the difference in case between UNIX and Unix as
significant in defining what part of speech it means, and we've
already discovered that lawyers prefer UNIX, but will accept Unix if
they want to make a case about violating the conditions of use of the
name. I find the spelling "Unix" looks like the kind of mistake that
people make when they're not aware of these niceties, so I'd prefer
not to use it.
More generally, though, there's nothing in the name that suggests
anything to do with the history of the system. For all it says to the
outside world, it's a new competitor to USENIX.
OK, PUPS may be wearing thin, and I wasn't really serious with OUPS (I
tried, unsuccesfully, to find an expansion for OOPS), but I think we
need to look a little further if we want to change the name.
Greg
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In article by Greg Lehey:
> > Hmm. Looks like we need a larger umbrella group which caters for the
> > preservation, use and development of all Unix varieties past and present.
> > I nominate the name The Unix Society ...
> > Comments on the suggestion of `The Unix Society' as a name? I'm avoiding
> > using UNIX as it's a trademark, and it's an adjective.
>
> I find the spelling "Unix" looks like the kind of mistake that
> people make when they're not aware of these niceties, so I'd prefer
> not to use it.
>
> More generally, though, there's nothing in the name that suggests
> anything to do with the history of the system. For all it says to the
> outside world, it's a new competitor to USENIX.
Hmm, I don't like the all-caps UNIX, looks ugly. This is probably a taste
thing. I wanted to avoid the word `preservation', as people like Steven,
Michael and others are still maintaining, using and developing these systems.
We need a sub-committee to come up with a new name :-) My next suggestion is
/The UNIX Heritage Society/i
Warren
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On Monday, 3 August 1998 at 9:35:17 +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
> In article by Greg Lehey:
>>> Hmm. Looks like we need a larger umbrella group which caters for the
>>> preservation, use and development of all Unix varieties past and present.
>>> I nominate the name The Unix Society ...
>>> Comments on the suggestion of `The Unix Society' as a name? I'm avoiding
>>> using UNIX as it's a trademark, and it's an adjective.
>>
>> I find the spelling "Unix" looks like the kind of mistake that
>> people make when they're not aware of these niceties, so I'd prefer
>> not to use it.
>>
>> More generally, though, there's nothing in the name that suggests
>> anything to do with the history of the system. For all it says to the
>> outside world, it's a new competitor to USENIX.
>
> Hmm, I don't like the all-caps UNIX, looks ugly. This is probably a taste
> thing. I wanted to avoid the word `preservation', as people like Steven,
> Michael and others are still maintaining, using and developing these systems.
>
> We need a sub-committee to come up with a new name :-) My next suggestion is
> /The UNIX Heritage Society/i
Sounds a lot better. Time for some other comments, when the rest of
the world wakes up.
Greg
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