2 Jul
2022
2 Jul
'22
7:26 a.m.
On Friday, 1 July 2022 at 17:57:35 -0700, Adam Thornton wrote:
On Jul 1, 2022, at 5:08 PM, Greg 'groggy'
Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com> wrote:
Hmm. Any idea how old the equipment is? I suppose you wouldn't
expect people to replace existing, functional equipment without good
reason.
Greg
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On Friday, 1 July 2022 at 20:12:44 +0200, Harald
Arnesen wrote:
When I learned film photography in the mid 1980s the darkroom had
red lights. Of course it was a very old darkroom in a middle school,
so I'm sure that _adequate_ darkrooms had better equipment. Except that we didn't use red light in our
darkrooms at all, at least
not from the 1970s and on. ...
Correct. I started darkroom work in 1964, and from the beginning we
used amber safelights. I don't think red safelights have been used
since long before that. 
2 Jul
2 Jul
8:24 a.m.
I recall three darkrooms that I used, in 1960 a makeshift one in bathroom in my home,
a regular one in an armory in Greenbelt MD about the same time, and one in the student
union at UT Austin about 1970. All three used red lights IIRC.
On Jul 1, 2022, at 8:26 PM, Greg 'groggy'
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On Friday, 1 July 2022 at 17:57:35 -0700, Adam Thornton wrote:
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On Jul 1, 2022, at 5:08 PM, Greg
'groggy' Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com> wrote:
Hmm. Any idea how old the equipment is? I suppose you wouldn't
expect people to replace existing, functional equipment without good
reason.
Greg
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Arnesen wrote:
When I learned film photography in the mid 1980s the darkroom had
red lights. Of course it was a very old darkroom in a middle school,
so I'm sure that _adequate_ darkrooms had better equipment. Except that we didn't use red light in our
darkrooms at all, at least
not from the 1970s and on. ...
Correct. I started darkroom work in 1964, and from the beginning we
used amber safelights. I don't think red safelights have been used
since long before that. 
8:35 a.m.
I was a photography nerd in the 1980's and we used red lights. As nerdy
as I was, I remember those times with fond memories. Something special
about putting the paper in the mix and seeing the picture come out of
nowhere. And the power you had with dodging to bring what you wanted
into focus.
On Fri, Jul 01, 2022 at 09:24:28PM -0500, Charles H. Sauer wrote:
I recall three darkrooms that I used, in 1960 a
makeshift one in bathroom in my home,
a regular one in an armory in Greenbelt MD about the same time, and one in the student
union at UT Austin about 1970. All three used red lights IIRC.
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On Jul 1, 2022, at 8:26 PM, Greg
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On Friday, 1 July 2022 at 17:57:35 -0700, Adam Thornton wrote:
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On Jul 1, 2022, at 5:08 PM, Greg
'groggy' Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com> wrote:
Hmm. Any idea how old the equipment is? I suppose you wouldn't
expect people to replace existing, functional equipment without good
reason.
Greg
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Arnesen wrote:
> Except that we didn't use red light in our darkrooms at all, at least
> not from the 1970s and on. ...
Correct. I started darkroom work in 1964, and from the beginning we
used amber safelights. I don't think red safelights have been used
since long before that.
When I learned film photography in the mid 1980s the darkroom had
red lights. Of course it was a very old darkroom in a middle school,
so I'm sure that _adequate_ darkrooms had better equipment.
8:43 a.m.
On Friday, 1 July 2022 at 19:35:02 -0700, Larry McVoy wrote:
On Fri, Jul 01, 2022 at 09:24:28PM -0500, Charles H.
Sauer wrote:
I was a photography nerd in the 1980's and we used red lights. As nerdy
as I was, I remember those times with fond memories. Something special
about putting the paper in the mix and seeing the picture come out of
nowhere. And the power you had with dodging to bring what you wanted
into focus.
Hmm. Strange. Maybe it's a USA thing. I *have* seen a red safelight
(I bought a red filter for our school safelight just for the fun of
it), but I can't recall anybody using one in earnest.
Greg
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On Jul 1,
2022, at 8:26 PM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com> wrote:
On Friday, 1 July 2022 at 17:57:35 -0700, Adam Thornton wrote:
I recall three darkrooms that I used, in 1960 a makeshift one in
bathroom in my home, a regular one in an armory in Greenbelt MD
about the same time, and one in the student union at UT Austin
about 1970. All three used red lights IIRC. On Jul 1, 2022, at 5:08 PM, Greg
'groggy' Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com> wrote:
> On Friday, 1 July 2022 at 20:12:44 +0200, Harald Arnesen wrote:
>> Except that we didn't use red light in our darkrooms at all, at least
>> not from the 1970s and on. ...
>
> Correct. I started darkroom work in 1964, and from the beginning we
> used amber safelights. I don't think red safelights have been used
> since long before that.
When I learned film photography in the mid 1980s the darkroom had
red lights. Of course it was a very old darkroom in a middle school,
so I'm sure that _adequate_ darkrooms had better equipment.
Hmm. Any idea how old the equipment is? I suppose you wouldn't
expect people to replace existing, functional equipment without good
reason. 
8:49 a.m.
On Fri, 1 Jul 2022, Larry McVoy wrote:
I was a photography nerd in the 1980's and we
used red lights. As nerdy
as I was, I remember those times with fond memories. Something special
about putting the paper in the mix and seeing the picture come out of
nowhere. And the power you had with dodging to bring what you wanted
into focus.
Ah, dodging... Well I remember my early photo days in the late 60s
(including developing my film in the wardrobe with a blanket over
everything and fixing them with diluted vinegar). Then years later I
discovered that my Uni had a photo lab replete with enlarger and glazer
:-)
Or taking your 110 film to the local chemist (and there'd better not be
any "naughty" pics on them, otherwise you wouldn't get them back). And
the yellow envelopes that came with every roll of Kodak colour slides
(which no longer seem to be able to be processed; I have a roll with
Halley's Comet on it).
The youngsters these days wouldn't know what we're talking about, of
course...
-- Dave
6 Jul
6 Jul
3 p.m.
On 2022-Jul-02 12:49:49 +1000, Dave Horsfall <dave(a)horsfall.org> wrote:
the yellow envelopes that came with every roll of Kodak
colour slides
(which no longer seem to be able to be processed; I have a roll with
Halley's Comet on it).
Kodachrome processing ceased in 2010:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodachrome#Cessation_of_processing
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8:06 p.m.
New subject: Kodachrome [was Re: Safelights (was: "9 skills our grandkids won't have")]
On 7/6/22 05:00, Peter Jeremy via COFF wrote:
On 2022-Jul-02 12:49:49 +1000, Dave Horsfall
<dave(a)horsfall.org> wrote:
Kodachrome can be developed as black and white. These places and maybe
more do it:
https://processonephoto.com/kodachrome-processing.htm
https://www.thecamerashop.com/imagecenter/kodachrome35.html
http://rockymountainfilm.com/k14oldslide.htm (6-12 months turnaround?!)
Someone has been working on color development, in fits and starts:
https://emulsive.org/articles/darkroom/developing-film/they-took-my-kodachr…
the yellow envelopes that came with every roll of
Kodak colour slides
(which no longer seem to be able to be processed; I have a roll with
Halley's Comet on it).
Kodachrome processing ceased in 2010:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodachrome#Cessation_of_processing
2 Jul
2 Jul
11:21 a.m.
No idea at all how old it was. I mean, a) I was a kid, and b) it was the first darkroom
I'd ever seen so I had no basis of comparison. I'm sure it was at least one and
maybe more generations of hand-me-down by the time I got to use it. But, I mean,
"good enough for middle school kids, and we got it for free" was probably good
enough, right?
Adam
On Jul 1, 2022, at 6:26 PM, Greg 'groggy'
Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com> wrote:
On Friday, 1 July 2022 at 17:57:35 -0700, Adam Thornton wrote:
On Jul 1, 2022, at 5:08 PM, Greg
'groggy' Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com> wrote:
Hmm. Any idea how old the equipment is? I suppose you wouldn't
expect people to replace existing, functional equipment without good
reason.
Greg
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reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA.php On Friday, 1 July 2022 at 20:12:44 +0200, Harald
Arnesen wrote:
When I learned film photography in the mid 1980s the darkroom had
red lights. Of course it was a very old darkroom in a middle school,
so I'm sure that _adequate_ darkrooms had better equipment. Except that we didn't use red light in our
darkrooms at all, at least
not from the 1970s and on. ...
Correct. I started darkroom work in 1964, and from the beginning we
used amber safelights. I don't think red safelights have been used
since long before that.
11:35 a.m.
On Friday, 1 July 2022 at 22:21:49 -0700, Adam Thornton wrote:
Yes, of course. I was just curious. But in the meantime many have
reported using red safelights, so the answer's not that relevant.
I dug back into my records, and found that I bought an OB (amber) and
3 (dark green, for panchro) safelight filter for the school darkroom
on 19 May 1965. No mention of a red filter yet. And
https://www.kodak.com/content/products-brochures/Film/Safelight-Recommendat…
agrees with me that amber is the most appropriate colour for black and
white print paper. I wonder why red safelights were so prevalent.
Greg
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On Jul 1,
2022, at 6:26 PM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com> wrote:
On Friday, 1 July 2022 at 17:57:35 -0700, Adam Thornton wrote:
No idea at all how old it was. I mean, a) I was a kid, and b) it
was the first darkroom I'd ever seen so I had no basis of comparison.
I'm sure it was at least one and maybe more generations of
hand-me-down by the time I got to use it. But, I mean, "good enough
for middle school kids, and we got it for free" was probably good
enough, right? On Jul 1, 2022, at 5:08 PM, Greg
'groggy' Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com> wrote:
Hmm. Any idea how old the equipment is? I suppose you wouldn't
expect people to replace existing, functional equipment without good
reason. On Friday, 1 July 2022 at 20:12:44 +0200, Harald
Arnesen wrote:
> Except that we didn't use red light in our darkrooms at all, at least
> not from the 1970s and on. ...
Correct. I started darkroom work in 1964, and from the beginning we
used amber safelights. I don't think red safelights have been used
since long before that.
When I learned film photography in the mid 1980s the darkroom had
red lights. Of course it was a very old darkroom in a middle school,
so I'm sure that _adequate_ darkrooms had better equipment.
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