13 Jul
2024
13 Jul
'24
7:17 p.m.
I just noticed this:
Sep 2018: The Multics History Project Archives were donated to the Living
Computer Museum in Seattle. This included 11 boxes of tapes, and 58 boxes of
Multics and CTSS documentation and listings. What will happen to these items
is unknown.
https://multicians.org/multics-news.html#events
That last sentence is ironic; I _assume_ it was written before the recent news.
I wonder what will happen to all such material at the LCM. Anyone know?
Noel
28 Jul
28 Jul
3:18 a.m.
On Jul 13, 2024, at 6:17 AM, Noel Chiappa <jnc(a)mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote:
I wonder what will happen to all such material at the LCM. Anyone know?
Having talked to some folks close to this, my understanding is that what’s being auctioned
off are pieces from Paul Allen’s *personal* collection, some (or all?) of which were *on
loan* to the LCM.
My understanding is that the LCM’s own collection is *not* being auctioned off, but is
instead part of the package for whoever acquires the museum as a whole.
-- Chris
29 Jul
29 Jul
12:04 a.m.
How is the LCM not part of his personal collection? It's part of his
estate. IIUC he had not created and transferred it to another legal
entity. (I wish he had, but....)
On 7/27/24 17:18, Chris Hanson wrote:
On Jul 13, 2024, at 6:17 AM, Noel Chiappa
<jnc(a)mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote:
I wonder what will happen to all such material at
the LCM. Anyone know?
Having talked to some folks close to this, my understanding is that what’s being
auctioned off are pieces from Paul Allen’s *personal* collection, some (or all?) of which
were *on loan* to the LCM.
My understanding is that the LCM’s own collection is *not* being auctioned off, but is
instead part of the package for whoever acquires the museum as a whole.
-- Chris
9:14 a.m.
The Multics tapes, documentation and the 6180 maintenance panel have been
transferred to SDF, a Seattle area computing nonprofit.
https://sdf.org/
The maintenance panel has been relocated to its new home, and is up and
running and online. (I went and visited it today.)
-- Charles
On Sun, Jul 28, 2024, 11:10 AM Aron Insinga <aki(a)insinga.com> wrote:
How is the LCM not part of his personal collection?
It's part of his
estate. IIUC he had not created and transferred it to another legal
entity. (I wish he had, but....)
On 7/27/24 17:18, Chris Hanson wrote:
what’s being auctioned off are
pieces from Paul Allen’s *personal*
collection, some (or all?) of which were *on loan* to the LCM.
On Jul 13, 2024, at 6:17 AM, Noel Chiappa
<jnc(a)mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
wrote:
I wonder
what will happen to all such material at the LCM. Anyone know?
Having talked to
some folks close to this, my understanding is that
My understanding is that the LCM’s own collection is *not* being
auctioned off,
but is instead part of the package for whoever acquires the
museum as a whole.
-- Chris
1 Aug
1 Aug
4:24 a.m.
I believe the LCM was always a distinct legal entity—regardless of the *ownership of* that
legal entity—which would make it a distinct asset separate from his other assets.
Similarly, his collection could be one asset, or it could be a large variety of assets,
depending on how (and whether) he structured such things.
-- Chris
On Jul 28, 2024, at 11:04 AM, Aron Insinga
<aki(a)insinga.com> wrote:
How is the LCM not part of his personal collection? It's part of his estate. IIUC
he had not created and transferred it to another legal entity. (I wish he had, but....)
On 7/27/24 17:18, Chris Hanson wrote:
On Jul 13, 2024, at 6:17 AM, Noel Chiappa
<jnc(a)mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote:
I wonder what will happen to all such material at
the LCM. Anyone know?
Having talked to some folks close to this, my understanding
is that what’s being auctioned off are pieces from Paul Allen’s *personal* collection,
some (or all?) of which were *on loan* to the LCM.
My understanding is that the LCM’s own collection is *not* being auctioned off, but is
instead part of the package for whoever acquires the museum as a whole.
-- Chris
12:22 p.m.
This presentation reveals a little more about LCM and a new upcoming
museum:
https://toobnix.org/w/ozjGgBQ28iYsLTNbrczPVo
31 Aug
31 Aug
3:50 a.m.
Late followup in this thread: here is the Christie's auction for items
being auctioned off:
https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/firsts-history-computing-paul-g-allen-co…
4:09 a.m.
It appears that Dan Halbert <halbert(a)halwitz.org> said:
Late followup in this thread: here is the
Christie's auction for items
being auctioned off:
https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/firsts-history-computing-paul-g-allen-co…
Many of the bids are underwhelming. KA-10 for $300, KI-10 for $400, KS-10 for $400.
Somebody wants the IBM 7090, bid $11,000 but still well below the $40-$60K estimate,
and somebody really wants the CDC 6500, bid $160,000.
All plus packing and shipping from Seattle, of course.
2 Sep
2 Sep
8:21 a.m.
On Aug 30, 2024, at 3:09 PM, John Levine <johnl(a)taugh.com> wrote:
It appears that Dan Halbert <halbert(a)halwitz.org> said:
Underwhelming, or reasonable?
It’s a serious pain to get a Christie’s account, plus fees & tax add about 25% on top
of a bid. The only reason eBay prices for old hardware are so high right now has been a
bunch of YouTubers chasing clout and treating old hardware like a Funko Pop to put on a
shelf to show how cool you are.
Late followup in this thread: here is the
Christie's auction for items
being auctioned off:
https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/firsts-history-computing-paul-g-allen-co…
Many of the bids are underwhelming. KA-10 for $300, KI-10 for $400, KS-10 for $400.
Somebody wants the IBM 7090, bid $11,000 but still
well below the $40-$60K estimate,
and somebody really wants the CDC 6500, bid $160,000.
All plus packing and shipping from Seattle, of course.
It doesn’t help that the kinds of people “helping” Christie’s put together their estimates
are YouTubers chasing clout.
-- Chris
3:45 p.m.
On Sun, 1 Sep 2024, Chris Hanson wrote:
Both, I would say. It's hard to believe those lowball bids are serious
since it would cost a fortune to pack and move those machines. As the
small print says, you have to disassemble them and it is not easy to take
them apart in a way that gives you any hope of putting them back together
later.
Regards,
John Levine, johnl(a)taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY
Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
It appears
that Dan Halbert <halbert(a)halwitz.org> said:
Underwhelming, or reasonable? Late followup in this thread: here is the
Christie's auction for items
being auctioned off:
https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/firsts-history-computing-paul-g-allen-co…
Many of the bids are underwhelming. KA-10 for $300, KI-10 for $400, KS-10 for $400.
8 Sep
8 Sep
11:39 p.m.
On 9/2/24 04:45, John R Levine wrote:
Both, I would say. It's hard to believe those
lowball bids are serious
since it would cost a fortune to pack and move those machines. As the
small print says, you have to disassemble them and it is not easy to
take them apart in a way that gives you any hope of putting them back
together later.
That seems to be predicated on the desire to take them part in a way
that gives you any hope of putting them back together.
Is there any reason to think that scrappers wouldn't toss a lo-ball bid?
--
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