I support more women in CS but you read stories about the good old boys club at Uber and elsewhere and I think you have your answer. If you are female and are going to get judged by your looks rather than your talent that's not going to be a big draw for women. It's kind of hard to turn that off, getting guys to stop doing that is about as easy as getting women (well most women) to not swoon when they see a baby. I have no idea what went south, when I was at Sun, SGI, Cobalt, there were plenty of women engineers. And that was in the kernel groups which were pretty hard core. 30% sounds about right, would have been nice to have more but it is what it is. There was certainly plenty of hanky panky going on but even us nerdy engineers knew "no" meant know unless you were in the middle of a massive flirt session. We were pretty nerdy so I'm sure there were plenty of signals that we missed, guys seem good at that and nerds are exceptional at that (ask me how I know. Sigh. I'd love to get a second chance and be 25 again with what I know now). On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 07:35:53AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: -- --- Larry McVoy lm at mcvoy.com http://www.mcvoy.com/lm