Paul Winalski wrote in <CABH=_VSmo0Ud5-gyjHVA4Dv2GfXccO7ZWhQQmnHLuoL0uv6L_w(a)mail.gmail.com>: |Wikipedia quite rightly wants citations for stated facts and this practice |goes a long way to prevent inaccuracies. But I recall one instance where |it actually caused the establishment of a factual error. | |Some city in Germany had a new mayor elected and someone duly updated the .. German journalists are often such that they copy. Some Germans still believe in what certain journalists stated on our Emperors "Hun speech" in 1900, even though an actual recording of the speech was found and made public .. at least 20 years, maybe 25 years ago ("a century after"). Everybody believes what everybody wants to believe, anyway. (I have a copy of that speech, if anyone is interested :-) Georgia (Georgien) wanted to introduce that american law on "NGOs", aka "foreign agents" aka "organizations being funded from parties of foreign interests" or whatever its name actually is. In the Wikipedia page it was "the russian law", and this was linked to some site which also read "typical Putin", with lots of bullshit. So i said it is an american law. I was removed. On the discussions page i then also said "typical Putin. Nonsense!" and claimed other very true things against that bullshit mountain of indifferent context-free trivialiation that is the modern world, and they pointed me to a statistica website page entry claiming that ~"Germans love and want NGOs", but then the entire thing was removed after i asked "Who did that. Who was asked. How many were asked." coming to the end saying the common term "Germany .. first of all means 'do not trust a statistik until it was you who falsified it'. That is a criminal offense". This entire thing was then removed with the words "Here it smells like red socks", referring to a decade old (around Y2K) right-wing aka republican propaganda tour against "red socks". (In Germany left wing is red, right wing is black/blue.) (Alongside i cited (the famous and experienced German journalist) Peter Scholl-Latour's "Russland im Zangengriff" ~(Russia in the cramp) from about 2007/2008, but in the foreword it already mentions the famous Putin speech from the Sicherheitskonferenz in München aka Munich which in not small parts is the foundation of what we see today, and he (Scholl-Latour) was part of the "other political side", namely worked for the republicans. Ie that "other political side" is a citation of mine in that discussion.) Btw, in another context, i am with Trump when he says "you should be thankful, you should be thankful", as it all, and much more, was a gift, and it was terribly mistreated. Actually a re-gifted gift, after terrible treatment! Thus twice!! Both!!! (It was a gift from German "dictator" Ludendorff at first. Then Lenin.) Anyhow, and back to the beginning, gangs of young mislead people, likely only little much elder than teenager age, giving themselves reputation, and citing (very much likely) self-produced, but anyhow very much doubtable, and very much anyhow source-reference-less statistics, and elder members removing entire discussion entries. It must be said that the page then was rewritten to exclude this entire mess. Was it the "smells like red socks" claimer? I have not looked. I am satisfied with the resulting exclusion of that bullshit. They now have that american law, by the way, and others in Europe think about introducing it, too, and if it were me, you know, Germany would have it already. On the other hand a contribution to the Battles of the Sommes and the Przewalski horse was taken in agreement, and the latter even caused the German Academic Lady to start an impressive academic sleuthering, resulting in much better DOI link references than the primitive point of view i offered at first (which was falsely removed at first, thus)! The Sommes thing .. dead soldiers are dead soldiers, they all were humans and died, often a very painful death. So the absolute numbers of horror and political failure is what matters, not whether a certain place had higher German numbers than the other; in that war, they, in the first years, still stopped fighting, and came together on the battlefied for christmas! Today that would be a robotic kill; and one-sided truths were used for killing, too. Both is a shame, may the LML write what it wants. --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt)

On 5/29/25 10:23 AM, Paul Winalski wrote: Gradual media conversion on those colors, finally cementing after CNN ran a map after the 2000 election that had Republican states in red. -- ``The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne.'' - Chaucer ``Ars longa, vita brevis'' - Hippocrates Chet Ramey, UTech, CWRU chet(a)case.edu http://tiswww.cwru.edu/~chet/

Adam Thornton wrote in <CAP2nic0sDT4K73n4Nc_29yt8h-fVgi+0u4NjErvobth6FUzUaw(a)mail.gmail.com>: |One could make a really good case right about now that: | |a) Vladimir Putin is doing his best to put the band back together, and Sorry, sorry to come back on a computer list. I stop thereafter. But, one can only press thumbs that it all gets through without further escalation; the desired block formation has resulted, at quite a price, but the river is still floating. If _there_ a really radical establishment would arise, though, and i mean really really (really!), if it were only the military, you know, there would be plenty of (pro) Russian(s) to protect in Transnistria; they had to sit in the cold without heating this winter, until a solution was found after months (and i *guess* and *bet* it is a very expensive and other-side-favouring solution); and their voted head is imprisoned, for, you know, in any case, much much less than a jumbo. You know; PJ Harvey sings On Battleship Hill's Caved in trenches A hateful feeling Still lingers Even now eighty years later So all that can be said is. Nothing changed, all the faults and idiocies happen over and over again. This is not "we have a liftoff", but we are plain as stupid as we always have been. (Btw. In this house where i work we have a middle-age Ukrainian Woman living here for many years, and a twin refugee couple. Thirty meters aways there is a German/Ukrainian (married) couple with lots of young children. More Ukrainians, Russians and Polish, all around here. And i always said i admire the men, and there are plenty, who deprive themselves from *that* government, even if "their country is calling" them. I only wish it would worked out that way for me, personally and environmentally, would i have lived during WWII. And the opposite for WWI.) |b) Republicans are acting as extremely willing Russian assets, so therefore |c) Associating them with the red of Soviet Communism is pretty accurate. The entire AI thing yet escaped me. I never looked and tested AI. I remember, on TUHS, and i think it was Steve Johnson who pretty much enthusiastically talked about "thousands of 8-bit processors" which understand a computer game "only by looking at the pixels" so good that after several hours they "beat the milk out of" it. From memory. That was fascinating, and my mind was busy looping over that on that evening, fwiw. I now have read that the Chinese approach they talk about uses that "8-bit" approach with the elder hardware that they are allowed to use, whereas the western guys use that super hardware, but nonetheless decline. Maybe that was what Steve Johnson was talking about. There are surely useful tasks for AI, when it is driven with green energy, and after is has been fully understood. Before that it is just another race that is raced at whatever cost there may be. The price is payed by the environment, and the grand children, but no longer further down the line. That is possibly the good thing about it. Exactly as said by the Club of Rome in 1972, and at least ever since also by the Catholic Church. As can be seen by reading the introductional words of Pope Franziskus "Laudati Si". De facto all this thread, and this entire email, is only about "structural disfunctioning" .. "that is unsuitable to guarantee respect for the environment". --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt)

Alexander Schreiber wrote in <aDxwjRhrUNJ5-Dm-(a)mordor.angband.thangorodrim.de>: |On Sun, Jun 01, 2025 at 12:00:11AM +0200, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: |> There are surely useful tasks for AI, when it is driven with green |> energy, and after is has been fully understood. | |What is currently being sold as "AI" is mostly LLM (Large Language |Models), which are - to grossly simplify things - massive brute-force |pattern matching engines. | |There are plenty of use cases where a well setup pattern matching engine |is exactly what you need. My favourite example: SBB (Swiss Railways) |uses "AI" (an in-house trained pattern matching model) to sift through |the massive incoming stream of noise recordings from rail mounted |vibration sensors, to identify (by matching known qualified patterns) |those caused by damaged train carriage wheels. Additional support |infrastructure then identifies train, carriage, wheel and notifies |the owner/operator to fix the wheel - before gets worse and does |more damage to the rails. That is possibly a great thing. I can assure everybody that Swiss freight trains pass by here in the many dozens / hundreds each day, and they are very well maintained. Most often they are quieter than even the much light German passenger trains. (Yes, there was that judgement in 2015 that the German (freight) trains have to become silent by December 2020, before that it was sheer unbelievable, especially during braking. And i still can recall the female DB speaker saying "und die Zeit brauchen wir auch" "and that time we really need". Unfortunately now the brakes are a bit more silent, but wheel imbalance and wheel bearings have massively increased (again).) I say possibly because i could imagine sensors in the locomotive should be capable to detect vibration irregularies? Not that i know. But vibrations is understated given the hammerings. Does this really need sound recordings? Interesting. |There are lots of similar tasks where pattern matching engines are |a great fit (e.g. optical QC on finished surfaces during manufacturing). | |If you try to use pattern matching engines for tasks that require |knowledge, thinking, understanding (in short: a trained human mind), |then you will be sorely disappointed while drowining in - potentially |even superficially plausible sounding - bullshit (See Harry Frankfurt, |"On Bullshit"). | |> Before that it is just another race that is raced at whatever cost |> there may be. The price is payed by the environment, and the | |The current forecasts of both the use and the costs (some claim that |we need to feed 90% of all power production to data centers eventually, |which is clearly .. ill advised) of "AI" are looking wildly exaggerated. I also do not use cryptocurrencies btw. I .. have heard Microsoft wants to buy a turned off nuclear plant to reactivate it, only for training AI? They also meddle within the "small nuclear plants" scene. I am thus against it. |> grand children, but no longer further down the line. That is |> possibly the good thing about it. Exactly as said by the Club of |> Rome in 1972, and at least ever since also by the Catholic Church. | |Club of Rome did not see a lot of scientific developments coming that |enabled growth way beyond their expectations. But then, predicting |the future is never a sure business. I would think at the 50th anniversary of the publication there was a profound review, and the pretty well got it. That was the great thing on Gore's campaign, in between the lines of that duel he mentioned it. With favouring "technology", of course, which i never believed will outgrow the bad effects. Not with that overall mental state, anyway. |That said, cheerfully burning down the planet for short-term profit |is not exactly a sustainable business model, to put it politely. Thank you. |Kind regards, | Alex. |-- |"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and | looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison --End of <aDxwjRhrUNJ5-Dm-(a)mordor.angband.thangorodrim.de> --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt)

Alexander Schreiber wrote in <aEbbRayc6SoAJmaf(a)mordor.angband.thangorodrim.de>: |On Mon, Jun 02, 2025 at 03:14:30PM +0200, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: |> Alexander Schreiber wrote in |> <aDxwjRhrUNJ5-Dm-(a)mordor.angband.thangorodrim.de>: |>|On Sun, Jun 01, 2025 at 12:00:11AM +0200, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: |>|> There are surely useful tasks for AI, when it is driven with green |>|> energy, and after is has been fully understood. ... |>|There are plenty of use cases where a well setup pattern matching engine |>|is exactly what you need. My favourite example: SBB (Swiss Railways) |>|uses "AI" (an in-house trained pattern matching model) to sift through |>|the massive incoming stream of noise recordings from rail mounted |>|vibration sensors, to identify (by matching known qualified patterns) |>|those caused by damaged train carriage wheels. Additional support |>|infrastructure then identifies train, carriage, wheel and notifies |>|the owner/operator to fix the wheel - before gets worse and does |>|more damage to the rails. |> |> That is possibly a great thing. I can assure everybody that Swiss |> freight trains pass by here in the many dozens / hundreds each |> day, and they are very well maintained. Most often they are |> quieter than even the much light German passenger trains. | |Ah, but there is a difference: Swiss (SBB & Co.) passenger trains |are very quiet by design - because they carry passengers (aka |"cargo that can complain"). Swiss cargo trains are slowly getting |there as the rolling stock is replaced, but they were _not_ designed |to be quiet, as cargo tends not to complain. Ah -- trains have an inside? Interesting. Hmmm, talking at least a decade. SBB and also, i hate private companies, BLS. Mostly i guess chemicals via tank wagons, and containers, lots of containers from an Austrian haulier. I mean, it is only snippets of time, when i am wandering in between, so numbers are scaled at bit, but from impressions of all day and night times. Here pass by quite a lot, Swedish double-deckers, French TGV (they renamed them, but slow german crawling..), German DB ICE of all sorts, of course, but still normal ICs with mostly 2nd class, for me it is Schnellzug and Eilzug but that cannot be helped, wonderful Austrian trains with two red locomotives (great ones which still aimed in record breaking performance, and deliver for the quarter of a century), and in between them dove gray waggons with red roof -- i love these trains, i think four times a day, surely good cake and coffee within, their Nightjets. BASF trains with Diesel and not FuelCell technology; we are back. And lots and lots and lots of private freight train companies which surely do not pay enough for being able to use the rails, just for the sake of allowing "competition" .. at the cost of the people, effectively. And for ruining the name of the DB, which actually pays for it. Tax payers that is. Loudest passenger train thinkable is by the way FlixTrain who seems to run generators or what at one pair, but their bearings and wheels scream to heaven "i have to live a long life" or what. They surely spend not enough for using the rails, let alone for the ear pain i have to suffer when that shit passes. Whatever. Luckily they pass by quick and do not brake, i cannot comment on their brakes. Swiss freight trains run smoothly and to a very large extend very silent, and they break silent, too. (Squealing happens at times, for practically anything. All the development for isolation, aka decoupling, and materials technology aside.) So, that is that. |> I say possibly because i could imagine sensors in the locomotive |> should be capable to detect vibration irregularies? | |Won't work, because a sensor in the locomotive will have a hard time |recording noise from the end of the train that might be 100+m away. Mostly americans on this list i presume, and they still remember the Wild West listen-at-the-rails trick, for whatever purpose. Our rail bus with its diesel engine btw does not use engine bearings. "Boy the rail hums" quite a bit in advance. So to say. |The setup described about grabs a vibration recording of every wheel |as it passes the rail-mounted sensor and (with the help of other data |sources) the system then can identify the train/carriage/wheel. Well, .. sure. I mean, in summertime i would consider talking the job for an hour at weekdays, but i need tea, and i surely would not be as exact. For freight trains in particular, they are put together at classification yards, often at little hills so that they start rolling after some initial moment. You know. In Germany we say (or used to say, when we were still Germans) "Where there is a will, there is a Way". Something like that.. |> Not that |> i know. But vibrations is understated given the hammerings. Does |> this really need sound recordings? Interesting. | |Well, it's vibration recording .. which is what sound is, just at possibly |a different frequency range that what humans hear. It seems to me in rails it ranges further than in the air. |Kind regards, | Alex. |-- |"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and | looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison --End of <aEbbRayc6SoAJmaf(a)mordor.angband.thangorodrim.de> --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt)