[TUHS to Bcc:, Cc: COFF] On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 11:47 AM Anton Shepelev <anton.txt(a)gmail.com> wrote: Pretty much! Briefly, because he writes with unwarranted confidence, and just isn't a very good programmer himself. He writes with an authoritative voice about things that he doesn't know very much, if anything, about. For example, the things he's written about static typing in programming languages are complete nonsense. Sriram Krishnamurthi called him out on that (https://x.com/ShriramKMurthi/status/1136411753590472707) and he did not respond well, doubling down on his unfounded opinions (https://blog.cleancoder.com/uncle-bob/2019/06/08/TestsAndTypes.html) Later, he justified his opinion by making allusions to the amount of time he's been programming (https://blog.cleancoder.com/uncle-bob/2021/06/25/OnTypes.html) Hey, when it comes to logical fallacies centered on appeals to length of experience, well...I swooshed a basketball for the first time more than 40 years ago, but I've given up any dream I may have ever had of being a point guard in the NBA. Just doing something for a long time doesn't mean you're good at it. Robert Martin doesn't write production-quality code, period. He claims to "ship" lots of code, but acknowledges that most of that is example code for his books and personal side-projects. But the code examples he has publicly available are not particularly well-structured, readable, or maintainable. For a particular egregious example, see https://github.com/unclebob/PDP8EmulatorIpad/blob/1eba53c08fb530effb9d29aca… (not the current commit; he modified it somewhat after I sent him https://github.com/unclebob/PDP8EmulatorIpad/commit/dbfa03e90a084a25992dff7…, which he did not acknowledge; see https://github.com/unclebob/PDP8EmulatorIpad/pull/2/commits/84483cd4d60320c… for the timeline). And while that small program is a particularly bad example, other bits of his code are also bad. Ousterhout was asked to comment on his "extract till you drop" approach and presented with a "refactoring" Martin did of a program due to Knuth (https://sites.google.com/site/unclebobconsultingllc/one-thing-extract-till-…) Ousterhout responded that he was "bewildered and horrified" by the approach. As Ousterhout put it, "He has taken 25 lines of code that are pretty straightforward and easy to understand, and turned them into 38 lines with 9 methods, none of which has a stitch of documentation. What was the point of this?" (https://groups.google.com/g/software-design-book/c/Kb5K3YcjIXw/m/qN8txMeOCA…) These are all typical of Martin's approach. Hence why I say the man is a charlatan. Others have written at length about why, and how, his advice is generally bad. - Dan C.