28 May
2025
28 May
'25
2:52 p.m.
Paul Winalski wrote in
<CABH=_VSmo0Ud5-gyjHVA4Dv2GfXccO7ZWhQQmnHLuoL0uv6L_w(a)mail.gmail.com>:
|Wikipedia quite rightly wants citations for stated facts and this practice
|goes a long way to prevent inaccuracies. But I recall one instance where
|it actually caused the establishment of a factual error.
|
|Some city in Germany had a new mayor elected and someone duly updated the
..
German journalists are often such that they copy. Some Germans
still believe in what certain journalists stated on our Emperors
"Hun speech" in 1900, even though an actual recording of the
speech was found and made public .. at least 20 years, maybe 25
years ago ("a century after"). Everybody believes what everybody
wants to believe, anyway.
(I have a copy of that speech, if anyone is interested :-)
Georgia (Georgien) wanted to introduce that american law on
"NGOs", aka "foreign agents" aka "organizations being funded from
parties of foreign interests" or whatever its name actually is.
In the Wikipedia page it was "the russian law", and this was
linked to some site which also read "typical Putin", with lots of
bullshit. So i said it is an american law. I was removed. On
the discussions page i then also said "typical Putin. Nonsense!"
and claimed other very true things against that bullshit mountain
of indifferent context-free trivialiation that is the modern
world, and they pointed me to a statistica website page entry
claiming that ~"Germans love and want NGOs", but then the entire
thing was removed after i asked "Who did that. Who was asked.
How many were asked." coming to the end saying the common term
"Germany .. first of all means 'do not trust a statistik until it
was you who falsified it'. That is a criminal offense".
This entire thing was then removed with the words "Here it smells
like red socks", referring to a decade old (around Y2K) right-wing
aka republican propaganda tour against "red socks". (In Germany
left wing is red, right wing is black/blue.) (Alongside i cited
(the famous and experienced German journalist) Peter
Scholl-Latour's "Russland im Zangengriff" ~(Russia in the cramp)
from about 2007/2008, but in the foreword it already mentions the
famous Putin speech from the Sicherheitskonferenz in München aka
Munich which in not small parts is the foundation of what we see
today, and he (Scholl-Latour) was part of the "other political
side", namely worked for the republicans. Ie that "other
political side" is a citation of mine in that discussion.)
Btw, in another context, i am with Trump when he says "you should
be thankful, you should be thankful", as it all, and much more,
was a gift, and it was terribly mistreated. Actually a re-gifted
gift, after terrible treatment! Thus twice!! Both!!! (It was
a gift from German "dictator" Ludendorff at first. Then Lenin.)
Anyhow, and back to the beginning, gangs of young mislead people,
likely only little much elder than teenager age, giving themselves
reputation, and citing (very much likely) self-produced, but
anyhow very much doubtable, and very much anyhow
source-reference-less statistics, and elder members removing
entire discussion entries.
It must be said that the page then was rewritten to exclude this
entire mess. Was it the "smells like red socks" claimer? I have
not looked. I am satisfied with the resulting exclusion of that
bullshit. They now have that american law, by the way, and others
in Europe think about introducing it, too, and if it were me, you
know, Germany would have it already.
On the other hand a contribution to the Battles of the Sommes and
the Przewalski horse was taken in agreement, and the latter even
caused the German Academic Lady to start an impressive academic
sleuthering, resulting in much better DOI link references than the
primitive point of view i offered at first (which was falsely
removed at first, thus)!
The Sommes thing .. dead soldiers are dead soldiers, they all were
humans and died, often a very painful death. So the absolute
numbers of horror and political failure is what matters, not
whether a certain place had higher German numbers than the other;
in that war, they, in the first years, still stopped fighting,
and came together on the battlefied for christmas! Today that
would be a robotic kill; and one-sided truths were used for
killing, too. Both is a shame, may the LML write what it wants.
--steffen
|
|Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear,
|der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one
|einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off
|(By Robert Gernhardt)