27 Nov
2024
27 Nov
'24
7:03 a.m.
Larry McVoy wrote in
<20241126201503.GJ30570(a)mcvoy.com>:
|On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 02:51:38PM -0500, Dan Cross wrote:
|> Many of Hollub's claims are ridiculous on the face of them ("you
don't
|> need a bug tracker! You don't need schedules! Code should be written
|> by 'mobbing'!"
|
|Why would anyone listen to this guy? I ran engineering at BitMover for
|18 years, yeah, you need a bug tracker. If for no other reason than to
|track the churn rate. HP-UX used that metric to decide when to land the
|plane.
Only to mention it, the Linux bugzilla is famous for living "in
the twilight zone":
https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/6808cd17-b48c-657d-de60-ef9d8bfa151e@leemhuis.…
From: Thorsten Leemhuis <linux(a)leemhuis.info>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds(a)linux-foundation.org>,
Greg KH <gregkh(a)linuxfoundation.org>,
Konstantin Ryabitsev <konstantin(a)linuxfoundation.org>
Date: 2022-04-06
Subject: A lot of regression reports submitted to bugzilla.kernel.org are apparently
ignored, even bisected ones
|You need to realize that schedules are a rough idea, but you absolutely
|need them, people work better towards a goal.
|
|This guy sounds like he hasn't worked on anything other than small
|user space programs.
I have not seen or read anything but what was posted here, but ..
honestly i find it overly funny. In that it sounds to reflect
actual reality of many, if not most, big engineering efforts
i have ever heard of.
Ie, if budget and time limits go down the engineer reality toilet,
why not just leave them alone. For example, in Germany/Europe we
had the Jäger90 (fighter plane), to which the polish did not want
to .. but that aside .., which then turned to Jäger91, 92, 93, 95,
2000 (i have forgotten the real details mind you, 35+ years since
that was mess of the week -- and it really was exactly that).
Yes, eventually this turned to the Eurofighter, but it was *at
leas* a decade late, and it took even longer thereafter, until
2006 says wikipedia, until it really entered service.
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--steffen
|
|Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear,
|der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one
|einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off
|(By Robert Gernhardt)
|
|And in Fall, feel "The Dropbear Bard"s ball(s).
|
|The banded bear
|without a care,
|Banged on himself for e'er and e'er
|
|Farewell, dear collar bear