16 Sep
2023
16 Sep
'23
6:24 a.m.
My two cents, anyone is free to express whatever views they want, just as they are free to
express opposition to whatever views they want. Of course, there are lines one can cross
and find themselves on the business end of a ban from a mailing list, but at the same
time, most folks who mean harm will peter themselves out when they don't get the
attention they crave, or it'll become obvious that they stuck their foot in it and
they'll try and correct. The trick is figuring out the nuances of your audience and
understanding what does and doesn't contribute value to discussion. Also, we all
have the ability to communicate on or off list. I'm guilty of this myself with Al
Kossow in the past, and I own that, but airing a concern or conflict via reply all is
rarely helpful, this is a lesson I myself and still trying to get better about.
As for Mary Ann's sig, personally I'm always happy to see it when she posts.
I'm not very visibily NB but the part of me that wholly rejects the concept of gender
has always appreciated that working in and with technology has presented countless folks
more opportunity than ever to come out and be done with the closet. Life is multi
faceted, go figure that kids like me that grow up exploring systems thinking and the like
sometimes wind up rejecting aspects of our broken social systems :)
- Matt G.
P.S. In keeping with the theme of my message, I'm personally not seeking debate on
support for the trans community. If you take a page from my advice and contact me
directly in a combative sense just know you will be at the least ignored, at the most, say
something particularly toxic and I probably won't be the only person to know you
harbor those thoughts...
------- Original Message -------
On Friday, September 15th, 2023 at 4:28 PM, Anthony Martin <ality(a)pbrane.org>
wrote:
Warren Toomey via TUHS tuhs(a)tuhs.org once said:
The history of Unix is not just of the
technology, but also of the
people involved, their successes and travails, and the communities
that they built. Mary Ann referenced a book about her life and
journey in her e-mail's .sig. She is a very important figure in the
history of Unix and I think her .sig is entirely relevant to TUHS.
Are you fine with everyone advertising whatever views
and products they want in their signatures or would I
have to be a very important figure?
If I want to say, for example, that the vast amount of
software related to Unix that came out of Berkeley was
so harmful it should have a retroactive Prop 65 label,
would that be okay to have in my signature?
Cheers,
Anthony
The vast amount of software related to Unix that came
out of Berkeley was so harmful it should have a
retroactive Prop 65 label.
[Quote from some person completely unrelated to Unix.]
[A link to buy my children's picture book about the
tenuous connection between Unix and the NATO terror
bombing of Yugoslavia, direct from Jeff Beelzebub's
bookstore.]
End of signature.
Sorry Warren, I couldn't help myself. I was "triggered"
just like Dan Cross, previously in that thread, who could
not stay silent.
"Silence is violence, folx."
- Sus of size (a.k.a. postmodernist Porky Pig)
Sent to COFF as Dan should have done.