[TUHS] man Macro Package and pdfmark
lm at mcvoy.com
Wed Feb 19 01:36:38 AEST 2020
On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 08:28:50AM -0700, arnold at skeeve.com wrote:
> Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com> wrote:
> > ditroff was always >>open source<< and any licensee could get it and see
> > it. The problem you are suggesting is that it was not >>free<< i.e. FOSS.
> I don't like your use of "open source"; it is way out of skew with
> how it's used today.
> > AT&T licensed it with a small set of fees. IIRC $1K for the first CPU, an
> > $50 for each and redistribution license was $10K and $5/system.
> That was very painful for universities and/or small businesses. Sure
> Sun and Masscomp could afford that. Your average computing center /
> computer science department / startup would have to think twice or thrice.
> Per CPU licensing was particularly painful if you had a bunch
> of workstations.
Yeah, Clem sort of has a blind spot on licensing. It's weird because I
agree with him on almost everything, it's sort of spooky how much we
My guess is that Clem was always at a University or a job where the fees
were mouse nuts and so it appeared to him that things just worked. If
you were a grad student like me, who wanted roff on a PC, it was very
different. And I suspect Clem has always been seen as one of the
chosen few who get logins on the machines with source. I was a nobody
and had to fight hard to get a login, I got it, but not until I was a
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