[TUHS] Another "craft" discussion topic - mindless tool proliferation

ron minnich rminnich at gmail.com
Fri Sep 22 14:09:29 AEST 2017

I loved the permuted index. About once a week I'd open up the permuted
index to a random location and learn something. I've never found the same
joy of discovery from command line tools like apropos.

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 8:26 PM Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog at lemis.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, 21 September 2017 at 17:38:19 -0700, Larry McVoy wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 05:30:50PM -0700, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sep 21, 2017, at 5:02 PM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog at lemis.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> There was a good reason for that.  To my recollection, they hadn't
> >>> been maintained At All, and they were decades out of date.  While they
> >>> were interesting for their historical content, as user/programmer
> >>> documentation they were useless at best and misleading or dangerous at
> >>> worst.
> >>
> >> So throwing them out was easier than updating them.
> >>
> >> As I recall, the real reason they got tossed was because some factions
> >> wanted to remove the *roff tools from the base OS, meaning the viewable
> >> versions of the documents could no longer be produced.
> >
> > Huh?  What about the man pages?
> They're still there, and are being regularly updated.
> > And removing roff from BSD is gonna make me mad.  I'm about to start
> > doing some work on BSD so maybe I'll make some noise.  Or did the
> > *roff tools stick around?
> roff in FreeBSD has been groff for as long as I can recall, possibly
> since 4.4BSD.  There has been some discussion about moving it to the
> Ports Collection, but it's certainly not going away.
> Greg
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