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Re: UNIX magazines (scj@yaccman.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 22:18:31 -0400 From: Doug McIlroy <doug@cs.dartmouth.edu> To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Subject: Re: [TUHS] UNIX magazines Message-ID: <201406130218.s5D2IVS9022877@stowe.cs.dartmouth.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > ;login: is alive and well. For a few years Usenix even published a refereed technical journal, "Computing Systems", quite different in tone from ;login: It had some nice content. Does anyone know why it folded? Doug ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 20:45:13 -0600 From: arnold@skeeve.com To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org, doug@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: Re: [TUHS] UNIX magazines Message-ID: <201406130245.s5D2jDOu014594@freefriends.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Doug McIlroy <doug@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: > > ;login: is alive and well. > > For a few years Usenix even published a refereed technical > journal, "Computing Systems", quite different in tone from > ;login: It had some nice content. I have the full set on a shelf in my basement. > Does anyone know why it folded? ISTR that they simply ran out of content; they weren't getting enough submissions to keep it going, and journal production isn't an inexpensive undertaking. Arnold ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 00:03:22 -0400 (EDT) From: norman@oclsc.org (Norman Wilson) To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Subject: Re: [TUHS] UNIX magazines Message-ID: <20140613040322.793E81DE37F@lignose.oclsc.org> Doug McIlroy: > Does anyone know why [Computing Systems] folded? Arnold Skeeve: ISTR that they simply ran out of content; they weren't getting enough submissions to keep it going, and journal production isn't an inexpensive undertaking. ====== That's what I remember too, though there may also have been insufficient interest from the members. The front matter in the last issue suggests that. Computing Systems was published from Winter 1988 to Fall 1996. (More years than I'd have guessed, even looking at the physical journals on my shelf; it was a quarterly.) It would probably not have lasted much longer no matter what, as the USENIX community was likely in the forefront of putting papers online on the World-Wide Web. USENIX now makes all their conference papers available online, free to anyone, except that only those registered for a conference can read them before the conference actually happens. That's not a bad substitute for a journal, I suppose. Norman Wilson Toronto ON ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 22:54:50 -0600 From: arnold@skeeve.com To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org, norman@oclsc.org Subject: Re: [TUHS] UNIX magazines Message-ID: <201406130454.s5D4socW025618@freefriends.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii norman@oclsc.org (Norman Wilson) wrote: > Arnold Skeeve: 'skeeve' is my domain name. Robbins is my surname. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 01:07:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Walden <tuhs@cuzuco.com> To: TUHS main list <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org> Subject: Re: [TUHS] UNIX magazines Message-ID: <201406130507.s5D571jv022914@cuzuco.com> UNIX/WORLD started in 1984 and was renamed UnixWorld Magazine: Open Systems Computing in 1991 and then UnixWorld's Open Computing in 1994 and it folded in 1995. SunExpert started in 1989 was renamed to Server/Workstatsion Expert in 1999 and it folded in 2001. I always enjoyed Mike OBrien's offbeat "Ask Mr. Protocol" > From: Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.com> > There were several, starting I guess in the 80s mostly. The one I remember > in particular was "Unix Review", but there were a few "journal" type > magazines that also specialized in Unix-y things (e.g., ";login:" from > USENIX; still published, I believe), and several associated with particular > vendors: "SunExpert" was one, if I recall correctly. > > Occasionally, Unix and related things showed up in the "mainstream" > consumer computer press of the time. I can remember in particular an issue > of "PC Magazine" (I think June of 1993) that ran a lengthy couple of > articles proving machines from Sun and SGI, in addition to version of Unix > that ran on PCs (interestingly, Linux was omitted despite really starting > to capture a lot of the imagination in that space; similarly I don't recall > any mention of BSD). > > Some of these old magazines are definitely blasts from the past. > > - Dan C. > > > > On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Sergey Lapin <slapinid@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi, all! > > > > I've read recently published link to byte article and got an idea.... > > Was there a magazine related to UNIX systems in 70s-80s? > > I had so much fun reading that Byte issue, even ads (especially ads!) > > It is so fun... > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TUHS mailing list > > TUHS@minnie.tuhs.org > > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs > > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 08:03:21 -0400 (EDT) From: norman@oclsc.org (Norman Wilson) To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Subject: Re: [TUHS] UNIX magazines Message-ID: <20140613120321.A51F71DE376@lignose.oclsc.org> 'skeeve' is my domain name. Robbins is my surname. Sorry about that; up too late with too many balls in the air (packing, finishing a tax return, listening to our provincial election results). At least I didn't further truncate it to skeev, as Ken might have done. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 07:10:08 -0600 From: arnold@skeeve.com To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org, norman@oclsc.org Subject: Re: [TUHS] UNIX magazines Message-ID: <201406131310.s5DDA8H2021287@freefriends.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii norman@oclsc.org (Norman Wilson) wrote: > 'skeeve' is my domain name. Robbins is my surname. > > Sorry about that; up too late with too many balls > in the air (packing, finishing a tax return, listening > to our provincial election results). NP. > At least I didn't further truncate it to skeev, as > Ken might have done. :-) Arnold ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 09:43:18 -0400 From: Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> To: Norman Wilson <norman@oclsc.org> Cc: Anne + Casey <execdir@usenix.org>, TUHS main list <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org> Subject: Re: [TUHS] UNIX magazines Message-ID: <CAC20D2NUFCJwoRU=pozb=mR8z2TGCs87aTn0NPn=FXCpkWQuUA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Norman Wilson <norman@oclsc.org> wrote: > USENIX now makes all their conference papers available online, > free to anyone, except that only those registered for a > conference can read them before the conference actually happens. > That's not a bad substitute for a journal, I suppose. > ?Thank you Norman.? ?As President of USENIX during that choice, that is a legacy I am particularly proud. It was a bit of a scary thing to do and so far ACM and IEEE have been loath to follow suite as completely (I suspect because the digital library is (was) a significant source of revenue for all three organizations). [To be fair, there are some exceptions, I believe ACM Queue is downloadable - although I note that it is interesting a lot of people working on Queue are also USENIX folks some of whom may be lurking on this mailing list]. For what ever its worth, just a month or so ago, I was very pleased to see my now Sr in college CS major daughter -- who went to her first USENIX conference in 1993 in stroller -- just joined USENIX (maybe its a little like joining "the party"). But if USENIX is to continue their tradition of being open and freely accessible, I offer an unabashed advertisement (i.e no pay walls): like her and her college peers, please consider a USENIX membership and/or going to a conference or two. To Doug's question -- I agree that the answers about "Computing Systems" that have been given are pretty much to the mark. It was not an insignificant undertaking to publish such a journal; and keeping it/dropping was a trade off. To all on the list, I can say that the Board has toyed with bring it back a couple of times when I was on it. If any of you have thoughts on the matter, send them to the current Board of Directors ( bod@usenix.org ) and/or the Executive Director: Casey Henderson (execdir@usenix.org). Clem -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://minnie.tuhs.org/pipermail/tuhs/attachments/20140613/72408362/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 09:04:35 -0700 From: scj@yaccman.com To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Subject: Re: [TUHS] UNIX magazines Message-ID: <e74d9823ba43e2c02c3e9fb40434536d.squirrel@webmail.yaccman.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 I was on the Usenix board when we decided to stop publishing Computing Systems. One of the key problems, not yet mentioned, was that the readership was too small. Several very good papers went elsewhere because the authors correctly felt that few people would see them if they published in CS. A related problem was that many university libraries were reluctant to subscribe. It seems that a certain critical mass is necessary to make a journal viable, and we never quite got there with CS... > On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Norman Wilson <norman@oclsc.org> wrote: > >> USENIX now makes all their conference papers available online, >> free to anyone, except that only those registered for a >> conference can read them before the conference actually happens. >> That's not a bad substitute for a journal, I suppose. >> > > ???Thank you Norman.??? > > ???As President of USENIX during that choice, that is a legacy I am > particularly proud. It was a bit of a scary thing to do and so far ACM > and > IEEE have been loath to follow suite as completely (I suspect because the > digital library is (was) a significant source of revenue for all three > organizations). [To be fair, there are some exceptions, I believe ACM > Queue is downloadable - although I note that it is interesting a lot of > people working on Queue are also USENIX folks some of whom may be lurking > on this mailing list]. > > For what ever its worth, just a month or so ago, I was very pleased to see > my now Sr in college CS major daughter -- who went to her first USENIX > conference in 1993 in stroller -- just joined USENIX (maybe its a little > like joining "the party"). But if USENIX is to continue their tradition > of > being open and freely accessible, I offer an unabashed advertisement (i.e > no pay walls): like her and her college peers, please consider a USENIX > membership and/or going to a conference or two. > > > To Doug's question -- I agree that the answers about "Computing Systems" > that have been given are pretty much to the mark. It was not an > insignificant undertaking to publish such a journal; and keeping > it/dropping was a trade off. > > To all on the list, I can say that the Board has toyed with bring it back > a > couple of times when I was on it. If any of you have thoughts on the > matter, send them to the current Board of Directors ( bod@usenix.org ) > and/or the Executive Director: Casey Henderson (execdir@usenix.org). > > > Clem > _______________________________________________ > TUHS mailing list > TUHS@minnie.tuhs.org > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS@minnie.tuhs.org https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs End of TUHS Digest, Vol 113, Issue 21 ************************************* |