But, you have to decide that having access to all your sources for your system is your measure of 'success.' My value of success is no more VMS, Kronos, or VM/CMS or the like. I will accept Larry's position that he had many roadblocks that were often silly. But I really don't think my world was as 'charmed' as he claims and his was quite as bad as his might think you look at it.
That said, we have deviated from what it means to be "open." What I'm hearing from Ted and Larry that they think open can only mean stallman's definition. I have said, that is not, was not the original definition, nor is it the only case and that the UNIX technology itself was really not as tied up as he claims. I think Larry did have access to sources (maybe not at his University), but like so many of us, once he got to a place that had them (like SGI or Sun). My point is that besides being to read about it in books and papers, getting access to the source from AT&T or UCB was really the norm and stating otherwise is disingenuous and trying to rewrite history a bit.
A point Ted has made and I accept is by the time of the UNIX Wars, the old proprietary folks were trying to keep their own versions of UNIX 'secret' and to use Larry terms those roadblocks to >>there<< code was real. But the truth is that the AT&T codebase (while getting more and more expensive as the HW dropped in cost), was always available, and people both commercial and research had it.
The problem was that as hardware cost dropped, more and more people wanted the sources too and that were the I think the difference in the success metrics come.
Certainly, for us that lived in a 'pre-UNIX' world, UNIX was a huge success. It did what we wanted -- it displaced the proprietary systems. And in the end, the UNIX ideas and UNIX technologies live today - because they were open and available to everyone. It does not matter if it was GPL'ed or otherwise.
In the end, what matters to me is the ideas, the real intellectual property NOT the source that implements it. This has been proven within the UNIX community too many times. It has been re-engineered so many times over. Just like Fortran lives today, although it's different from what I learned in the 1960s. It's still Fortran. Unix is different from what I saw in the early 1970s, but its still Unix.
And that is because the ideas that makeup what we call UNIX ARE open and the people looked at the sources, looked at the papers, talked to each other and the community built on it.
It looks like a duck. It quacks like a duck and even tastes like duck (mostly) when you inside. It's a duck.